New airline cabin class

Next thing you know they ask you at ticket booking … economy, business or no-children class :noway: a Danish Touroperator Star Tour is offering a no-kids class possibility in its chartered flights …

Wasn’t there a disscussion about this here a year or two ago?

It’ll be interesting to see how this all turns out what with the Europeans committing demographic suicide. The number of births per woman need to simply maintain a country’s population is 2.11. Less than that and the population declines. Right now:

Denmark 1.77
Netherlands 1.72
UK 1.60
Germany 1.35
Austria 1.35
Italy 1.23
Spain 1.1
Russia 1.14

Don’t know about Russia, but all those others will be just fine. Hijab, Abaya and jilbab makers will be especially successful.

When buying for myself, I am by nature a cheapskate, a tightwad. Someone who squeezes a dollar bill and makes George Washington cry.

However the last 3 times I’ve flown I have booked in 'Business" class rather than economy.
Man oh man oh man what a difference those 3 inch wider seats makes. And the rest of the …uh…‘experience’ is much better also.

If its on someone elses nickel or a mileage upgrade of course I’ll fly 1st. But I think I’m going to make a habit of the ‘Business’ grade flights in the future.

[quote=“belgian pie”]Next thing you know they ask you at ticket booking … economy, business or no-children class :noway: a Danish Touroperator Star Tour is offering a no-kids class possibility in its chartered flights …[/quote]Excellent, I hope this idea catches on. :banana:

I’d pay extra for it, that’s for sure.

i believe that EVA air was the one who pioneered the 4 class cabin on its 747s. They had First and Business and then Deluxe economy and then economy. The pioneering one was the Deluxe Economy where you got biz class seating but the same economy meal and service for slightly more then economy price. I think United Airlines has recently started this service too.

And many airlines are dropping First Class, as its become way too expensive for most travellers. So essentiallly the new world order, Biz class is really the new First class, being top class offered by many airlines, Deluxe economy is really the new Biz class and the regular economy remains economy. Make any sense? Its a way to downgrade a product to a level thats economically sustainable. First class is not profitable for a great many airlines and they only had it for prestige reasons. China Air and Eva are dropping First class. And many other airlines are following.

Does anyone here know how much more the Deluxe Economy is on EVA, compared to regular economy?

EVA airs own website can provide that info. For example i recently looked at SAN FRANCISCO to TAIPEI roundtrip on EVA’s website. and Economy was about 700 dollars. And DEluxe (now called Elite) was bout 1000. So bout 30pct more. I think prices change often tho. So you need to look it up.

[quote=“tommy525”]i believe that EVA air was the one who pioneered the 4 class cabin on its 747s. They had First and Business and then Deluxe economy and then economy. The pioneering one was the Deluxe Economy where you got biz class seating but the same economy meal and service for slightly more then economy price. I think United Airlines has recently started this service too.

And many airlines are dropping First Class, as its become way too expensive for most travellers. So essentiallly the new world order, Biz class is really the new First class, being top class offered by many airlines, Deluxe economy is really the new Biz class and the regular economy remains economy. Make any sense? Its a way to downgrade a product to a level thats economically sustainable. First class is not profitable for a great many airlines and they only had it for prestige reasons. China Air and Eva are dropping First class. And many other airlines are following.[/quote]

Economy is going to be coach class seating with only peanuts and juice … :smiley:

[quote=“belgian pie”][quote=“tommy525”]i believe that EVA air was the one who pioneered the 4 class cabin on its 747s. They had First and Business and then Deluxe economy and then economy. The pioneering one was the Deluxe Economy where you got biz class seating but the same economy meal and service for slightly more then economy price. I think United Airlines has recently started this service too.

And many airlines are dropping First Class, as its become way too expensive for most travellers. So essentiallly the new world order, Biz class is really the new First class, being top class offered by many airlines, Deluxe economy is really the new Biz class and the regular economy remains economy. Make any sense? Its a way to downgrade a product to a level thats economically sustainable. First class is not profitable for a great many airlines and they only had it for prestige reasons. China Air and Eva are dropping First class. And many other airlines are following.[/quote]

Economy is going to be coach class seating with only peanuts and juice … :smiley:[/quote]

or be like SOUTHWEST airlines , just the peanuts !! But you CAN ask for two packs though

Usually US$300-400 more than a standard ticket on the New York-Taipei route, but I haven’t flown it this year so this may have changed some. Well worth it IMHO if you have the cash. In fact, I was put into Business class on the same route last year and was actually disappointed – aside from the very nice carry on container next to the seat, I didn’t really feel that the amenities were that much better than what I’d had in deluxe economy in the past, and the comfort level wasn’t that much better either (except for the down comforter, mmmm…)

I’ve come to this thread rather late… I’ve flown EVA somewhere pretty much every month or two for several years. Here is my ready-recknor:

First class:
Only on 747s. Branded “Super First”

Business class:
747. Branded “Super Business”
A330/777. Branded “Premium Laurel”
M90 etc… “dont go there”

Premium economy:
747. Branded “Evergreen Deluxe”
777. Branded “Elite”

Economy:
Always called “Economy”

Super First is the front upstairs (75") in some configurations, and front downstairs (80") in others. Old-fashioned seat, simple TV channels to watch. Excellent service. Where 747s are operated on routes where First is not sold, these seats are available to Super Business travellers. The service will still be as per Super Business (although your boarding card might come out as “F”).

Super Business is either the rear upstairs or all of upstairs with 44" to 47" pitch. Excellent service, but old-fashioned seats. Otherwise as for Super First.

Premium Laurel Class. (61"). EVA’s new “flagship” product. Lie flat, but not horizontal. VOD and laptop power. More spacious and modern than Super Business. But I’ve found the inflight service poorer. Bigger cabins mean less exclusive feel than Super Business/First. Most will see it as an improvement - but I’ve noticed FAs rarely remember your name and are more hurried - the ratio is not as good as in Super Business and they are shared with Elite on the 777s. Has the “feel” of deluxe class 10 years ago. EVA seem to discount PL more than the old Business/First products.

Evergreen Deluxe (38"). Often great value. 2-4-2 across the wide part of a 747 instead of 3-4-3. The best configuration is where it extends into the nose - some seats have extra legroom here - exits etc. Service is pretty much as for economy but in a less cramped environment. China cups etc, but food as per economy. TV choice is a choice of channels. Treated as “economy” for benefits “off-plane” - ie no lounge access, priority boarding, etc. Depending on airport they have may have separate check-in queues, though these are rarely shorter than economy.

Elite (38"). Upgraded Deluxe. But small cabin, availability can be hard to get. 2-4-2 on the 777 means slightly narrower seats than old Deluxe. But has VOD and laptop power port. No “special” seats - exits etc.

Economy. Generally 32" to 34". VOD on 777 and A330. Shared TV screens on everything else. Always some exit seats to be had - though often reserved for frequent flyers.

EVA are currently refurbishing their 747s. They will be relaunched with a small Elite section and Premium Laurel in the front downstairs. Economy will be in the back downstairs and all of upstairs. Upstairs economy will be 36" - a real catch if you are lucky…

Use this tool when you book your flights if you want to check out the amenities or do on-line check in.

It really works…http://www.seatguru.com

Russia is now ~10% Muslim, but the US makes up for it with Juan, Maria and Pedro

Yeh, given that Eva’s normal economy seats are smaller than Cathay. Regardless, I thought it would be United that pioneered the business class seats given the number of fatties in the US.

where did you get this info?

Just curious, since star tour is BIG on charter flights and it’s main travelers are families… :idunno:

If I was travelling on an airline that was big on families I would be very pleased to have the option of going into a no-kids section. Makes sense for them to introduce the option really, as they have a bigger ‘problem’ than airlines that have fewer kids on board.

I’m all for the no-kids class. There’s nothing worse than being on a flight with young kids crying, screaming and running around. I can also do without a mother breastfeeding next to me on the plane too. No thanks. It’s only a matter of time before the parents’ rights groups complain about a no-kids class though.

I’ve flown with EVA in Economy Deluxe from Taipei to Vancouver quite a few times already over the past 4-5 years. I have nothing but good things to say about it. It seems to be about 30% more than what the Economy ticket costs, but for the better seat and less overall cramped conditions, it’s more than worth it, IMO.

On my most recent trip to Canada, I flew with China Airlines, first time in a long time, and I was pretty impressed all in all. They are trying hard to get the business back after horrific crashes years ago.
The beauty was, they oversold their Economy seats and I was upgraded for free to Business Class. They didn’t offer me all the Business Class amenities, like the better meals and VIP Lounge use, but it was still sweet. Problem was, on the way back, I couldn’t bear to go back to Economy and ended up buying the upgrade. I don’t know which way I’m going to go next trip home now. :s