Newtown, CT finally enacts new gun laws in the wake of Sandy Hook

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I am pleased to announce that there will never, ever be another massacre of small children in a school as a result of Newtown’s courageous stance. They took on the NRA and won.

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[quote]Town officials have unanimously approved a firearms ordinance limiting recreational shooting in Newtown.

The first debate on the proposal was held more than a year ago, before the Dec. 14 massacre in which a gunman killed 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Legislative Council President Jeff Capeci said Monday that the ordinance balanced the views of those seeking to protect their Second Amendment rights and others who worry about safety and nuisance problems, The News Times reported.

“It’s a good compromise considering the varying interests,” Capeci told the newspaper.

Hundreds of people offered about 200 hours of testimony over the course of the debate on the ordinance.

The ordinance approved last week by the Legislative Council says no resident may shoot for more than four hours after police are notified and shooting is limited to one person at a time. Target backstops are required and must be 10 feet above the target.

No shooting is allowed within a half-mile of a school.

The ordinance is targeted at recreational shooting and does not affect hunters or gun salutes for memorial events and tributes.[/quote]
That’ll really show those psychotic murderers. They have to notify police before going on a rampage, and cannot shoot within half a mile of a school.

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I’m sure they’ll comply. “Hello, Newtown police? I’m going to be shooting up the Wal-Mart in about half an hour. No, there’s just me. Yes, it’s out by the highway, so the nearest school is about a mile away. Sure, you’ve been there, haven’t you? the walls are about 30 feet high. Ok, thanks! See you there in, oh, forty-five minutes?”

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You may want to avoid getting your news from Fox but leaving that aside, It’s not clear what your point is. Do you have a problem with small gradual steps being taken to improve the safety of society, or are you laughing because you wanted it to be a much bigger and more meaningful change?

Policy change moves at a snails pace but it has to start somewhere. Just my humble opinion, but a step in the right direction seems better than no movement at all…

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Baby steps.

A tiny bit of progress beats no progress at all. And it certainly beats regress.

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Nice to see you put a cheeky spin on a tragedy. Classy!

Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’

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[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]Nice to see you put a cheeky spin on a tragedy. Classy!

Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’[/quote]
I prefer ‘maybe the NRA has convinced Dipshit Central to attack those whose gun carry is patent rather than concealed’, has a better ring to it.

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Well, hey, nice of Newtown to do something completely pointless, isn’t it? “Someone shot up a school, so let’s pass laws against recreational target shooting!”

Perhaps they could prohibit shooting children at schools! Oh, wait, that’s already illegal.

Perhaps they could prohibit mentally-ill people from shooting their mothers and going on a rampage!!! Oh, wait, that’s already illegal.

I know, let’s have them pass meaningless feel-good legislation just because they can!!!

[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’[/quote]
Nah, I’ll leave that up to you guys. Oh, wait, you folks are already on it in the Open Forum.

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Well, hey, nice of Newtown to do something completely pointless, isn’t it? “Someone shot up a school, so let’s pass laws against recreational target shooting!”

Perhaps they could prohibit shooting children at schools! Oh, wait, that’s already illegal.

Perhaps they could prohibit mentally-ill people from shooting their mothers and going on a rampage!!! Oh, wait, that’s already illegal.

I know, let’s have them pass meaningless feel-good legislation just because they can!!!

[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’[/quote]
Nah, I’ll leave that up to you guys. Oh, wait, you folks are already on it in the Open Forum.[/quote]

You what is soon to be legal? Blind people being allowed guns. Seems like a good idea.

You know what else, a lobby that caters to a small portion of the general population like the NRA has a lot of money because RWBHs know this issue is divisive and they can politicize ‘freedom’ from it.

So they get a bunch of RWBHs riled up and they work to ‘shoot down’ every attempt at gun restriction to a point where there can be no restriction.

But yeah, guns don’t kill people, people do…right…so lets make sure all people have weapons, in case they decide to kill.

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Why not? What are they supposed to do, beat attackers to death with their canes?

You mean, 50% of American households are “a small portion of the general population”???

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[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]Nice to see you put a cheeky spin on a tragedy. Classy!

Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’[/quote]

Maybe if folks in Nairobi were well armed, other than the criminals, fewer people would have died. Why is it that every time some A hole opens fire on citizens, the do-gooders try to make a case against carrying. If everybody knew that everybody else was carrying, they would think twice.

Avery, and Headquarters, Idaho: reign your horse in at the rail outside and pack the hardware inside the pub. Bartender relieves you of the hardware after a few drinks.
Yup! Even today. I have NEVER heard of a modern day transgression. Everybody knows that if you draw, you will be cut down so nobody does.

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Or instead of using Nairobi as your example, you could use the other two dozen developed nations as examples of lower gun murder rates due to restrictions of guns in open society?

Or maybe, if you do in fact live in Taiwan, you could explain to me how you think our lives here in this country would be better if everybody was carrying guns?

I know I know, you’d rather use Detroit and Nairobi as your examples. Hey you forgot Somalia, that always makes for a meaningful analogy. Ok, carry on :slight_smile:

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Countries like Taiwan and Japan have almost no gun deaths. Canada does much better than the US too, no? It is quite strange to look in on the gun debate in the US and see some people advocating more gun ownership as a solution to gun violence, as though the experience of the rest of the world somehow doesn’t apply to America.

Facetious question: When American schools teach geography do they include, you know, like, other countries and stuff?

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[quote=“2Enigma”][quote=“Deuce Dropper”]Nice to see you put a cheeky spin on a tragedy. Classy!

Perhaps you can put an ironic spin on today’s Naval Yard shooting.

Maybe something like: ‘If people in the armed forces had guns this wouldn’t have happened?’[/quote]

Maybe if folks in Nairobi were well armed, other than the criminals, fewer people would have died. Why is it that every time some A hole opens fire on citizens, the do-gooders try to make a case against carrying. If everybody knew that everybody else was carrying, they would think twice.

Avery, and Headquarters, Idaho: reign your horse in at the rail outside and pack the hardware inside the pub. Bartender relieves you of the hardware after a few drinks.
Yup! Even today. I have NEVER heard of a modern day transgression. Everybody knows that if you draw, you will be cut down so nobody does.[/quote]

Why do gun nuts all have the same fantasy about them shooting away trouble Rambo style? You are the equivalent to the overly invested sports fan who thinks that he would have executed the winning play and had his team win as opposed to that silly professional who doesn’t have a clue what he is doing.

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[quote=“antarcticbeech”]Countries like Taiwan and Japan have almost no gun deaths. Canada does much better than the US too, no? It is quite strange to look in on the gun debate in the US and see some people advocating more gun ownership as a solution to gun violence, as though the experience of the rest of the world somehow doesn’t apply to America.

Facetious question: When American schools teach geography do they include, you know, like, other countries and stuff?[/quote]

Meanwhile, in Brazil, which bans handgun ownership entirely, the murder rate is 4X what it is in the U.S. Oh, oops, the murder rate by firearms in Brazil is 5X what it is in the U.S. Hey, but wait a second, shouldn’t the firearms murder rate be lower, or at least a lower multiple?? I guess those gun bans don’t really work worth shit, huh.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … death_rate

Meanwhile, in the U.S., about 75% of homicides by firearms are criminals getting killed – whether by other criminals or by righteous homeowners, doesn’t really matter to me, they’re all good.

Facetious question: did the schools in your country bother to teach you how to evaluate data, or did they just teach to to swallow whatever some agenda-driven bunch of assholes tried to feed you?

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Again this seems rather obvious, but maybe you should just stick to comparisons with the usual list of developed nations as they allow us to reduce potential external variables and more closely compare the actual data point. I realize that won’t allow you to continue your confirmation bias arguments, but that’s hardly our problem now is it?

Yes, did yours? :astonished:

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[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]

Why do gun nuts all have the same fantasy about them shooting away trouble Rambo style? [/quote]

Let’s not forget that “First Blood” was written by David Morrell, a Canadian, and the movie was filmed in Hope, BC, Canada. :laughing: People can criticize the gun culture in the US all they want, but that film was very Canadian.

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Yeah, like the X-files was a very Canadian take on the real issue of alien infiltration of society. :laughing: