It’s time to think about taking out North Korea and its ruthless dictator responsible for the deaths of over a million of his countrymen before it becomes an imminent danger to the security of the U.S.:
"United States and South Korean military commanders are completing a new war plan intended not only to repel a North Korean invasion if hostilities erupt but to invade North Korea to demolish its armed forces, capture the capital at Pyongyang, and destroy the North Korean regime.
Said a senior U.S. official: “When we’re done, they will not be able to mount any military activity of any kind. We will kill them all.”
He said the combined forces of the U.S. and South Korea would abolish North Korea as a functioning state, end the rule of its leader, Kim Jong Il, and reorganize the country under South Korean control. . .
Officials here said the new war plan was being devised because North Korea’s armed force of 1 million troops equipped with largely obsolete weapons is deteriorating by the day as the nation’s economic disasters take their toll. American officials fear that North Korea, on the verge of collapse, might strike out in desperation. “They may figure ‘use it or lose it,’” said an officer familiar with North Korea. . .
A target of high priority would be the North Korean artillery corps deployed north of the DMZ where it could fire due south toward Seoul. Many of North Korea’s 10,600 artillery pieces are old and have limited range but about 200 multiple rocket launchers of 240 millimeters could hit Seoul to inflict severe damage. They are at the top of the target list.
Much of that artillery is parked in underground shelters that have been spotted by U.S. intelligence satellites and aircraft. Those guns must be pulled out to fire and thus become vulnerable. They can also be neutralized by bombing exits before they emerge. “We can bury them,” said a military planner. . . .
Well if we do take out North Korea, would it silence the critics who keep wailing that if we were worried about dangers we should have attacked North Korea first? Will those people now sign onto such an effort? Will Europe be there as well or will there be more mass peace protests?
Does anyone here object to the principle of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators if the evidence is legitimate?
Does anyone here object to the principle of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators if the evidence is legitimate?[/quote]
[quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“spook”]Well let’s do a poll.
Does anyone here object to the principle of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators if the evidence is legitimate?[/quote]
[quote=“spook”][quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“spook”]Well let’s do a poll.
Does anyone here object to the principle of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators if the evidence is legitimate?[/quote]
Define “legitimate”.[/quote]
Actually there.[/quote]
How do we legitimately know if the weapons are “actually there”?
Speaking in reference to North Korea:
I do not advocate using military force for this purpose. I do advocate other methods, propaganda, subversion, espionage, and other methods to foment a rebellion among the North Korean peoples to accomplish the overthrow of the current regieme.
This is a people who have acclimated themselves to survival in some of the harshest conditions presently known.
The technique known as ‘brain-washing’ came into use with this regieme. It would be foolish to think that mere economic sanctions would have much of an effect.
Creation of an indigenous opposition is the path I would advocate.
[quote=“spook”][quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“spook”]Well let’s do a poll.
Does anyone here object to the principle of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators if the evidence is legitimate?[/quote]
Define “legitimate”.[/quote]
Actually there.[/quote]
spook, old friend,
Not trying to be a pain… but… there are problems with your gig here.
You ask if we are in favor of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators…
This I think would require pre-emptive military action, right?
But…
You define “legitimate” as “actually there”. If the weapons are “actually there” then pre-emptive military action to keep them out of the hands of aggressive dictators is not an option.
See how this whole notion is complicated? I think Bush did the right thing in Iraq, whether the evidence of WMD there was “legitimate” or not, per your definition.
I’m glad Bush didn’t wait until the evidence of Saddam’s possession of WMD was “legitimate” per your definition.
[quote=“Tigerman”]Not trying to be a pain… but… there are problems with your gig here.
You ask if we are in favor of using military force to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of aggressive dictators…
This I think would require pre-emptive military action, right?
But…
You define “legitimate” as “actually there”. If the weapons are “actually there” then pre-emptive military action to keep them out of the hands of aggressive dictators is not an option.[/quote]
Well yes…that game is being played.
I’m deadly serious. I think we should take North Korea’s nuclear weapons program out before it becomes an imminent threat to our national security. I don’t think we should invade and occupy North Korea though. That would be madness.
Even IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei who questioned Bush Administration ‘evidence’ of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction as flimsy and politicized accepts the solidity of the evidence that North Korea has an active and growing weapons of mass destruction program.
"US Senator Joe Biden said he believed North Korea’s restarting of the Yongbyon nuclear reactor poses a greater threat than Iraq. He said within months Pyongyang could have enough material for five more nuclear weapons. The incoming chairman of the US Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Republican Senator Richard Lugar, said Washington must actively engage its allies in the region.
During a visit to Yongbyon on 08 January 2004, North Korea showed an unofficial American delegation what it asserted was weapons-grade plutonium. The group spent about a day at Yongbyon, and was shown the empty cooling pond where the 8,000 fuel rods from the 5-megawatt nuclear reactor had been stored. During the visit, the reprocessing plant was operating."
Both Biden and (Republican senator) Lugar have been critical of Bush Administration claims about Iraq.
But how would an invasion of North Korea fit with your 1796 quote by George Washington? Are you only interested in invading North Korea because Israel is clearly NOT threatened?
For the record, if we can minimize the destruction, I would be willing to invade and take out North Korea. Sick regime. The thought of dumping that mess on South Korea would please me to no end. Then, all those ardent nationalists who blame the US for keeping the two nations separate because “we fear that if united, they would be the strongest country in the world” would have their chance to prove us right.
spook is playing games? 
