Not about Royal Nazis

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Yes, right, censorship is strange. Not sure why we did it. We only do it with Nazi stuff and some extreme racism and maybe when someone wants to post “killing people is cool” or stuff. Probably the German governement was scarfed of the British Sun showing a picture of a Nazi German wearing the Swastika (we call it Hook-Cross") and naming it “those Germans again”.

No I do not nag about UK, have family there and love it!

And this Royal Kid : I do not care. Telling him once it is stupid is enough.

How many killed? Please check Jewish culture in Europe. The millions could not escape all. Read Thorberg (forget Firstname) describing the Vienna Jewish culture, even amusing stories.

And again, we are talking about normal people regarding Jews, not a political group working on a secret plan or something. We have all the files about the killed citizens, as we have a citizen register here. Don`t tell me someone wrote all those names by hand for fun.

Einstein was a European Jew (Switzerland, Germany or something). Many many classical composers you will find. Just to show they were many. And as I said, taxi drivers, butchers and teachers.

Makes me sad someone wants to forget them.

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Well, Vannyel, we finally agree. yes, nobody is accusing Harry of having that sickness, it was just a schoolkid’s silly stupid prank, we all know that. He apologized, it’s over.

Case closed.

As for the numbers dead in WWII, in gas chambers, well sure, it’s a PR figure, 6 million, best estimate, but might have been 5 million, 4 million, 3 million, but like Honest_Bob said, there are lists. LISTS. but the 6 million figure is a nice round PR figure, yes. nobody knows the exact count. more than a million, less than 10 million. what if it is 3.5 million, or 2.6 million of 500,000? It is the sickness, like we have all agreed here, that is important to eradicate.

So 1000 years from now, let’s hope nobody has to remember Hitler. It would be nice to think that could happen in 100 years, but alas, the sickness that attacks all people, against all other people…racism, religious triumphalism (we are better than you are, nah mah!), prejudice, color conciousness,…this sickness is still with us. Gotta work on it, all of us, and that’s you too SJ. Vannyel, you are excused.

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I assume the symbols are forbidden so that they cannot (should not) be used by Neo-Nazis and similar groups or even political parties. Promoting the symbols could also be seen as promoting (and supporting) the actions of Hitler.

You might perhaps be interested to know that not only the symbols are forbidden but even our vehicle number plates are not allowed to form abbreviations that can be associated with the Nazis, e.g. NS, SS etc.
HH for (Hansestadt) Hamburg seems to be an exception since the combinations are usually only formable in the middle (AA to ZZ), the leading characters indicate the county / district and are fixed.
A valid plate would be HH-BF 123 or B-AC 456 while COS-NS 321 would not be allowed.

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When I was recently in a McDonald’s, a Taiwanese guy was all dressed up in Nazi gear. Interesting what some people wannabe.

Since moving to Taiwan, it’s clear that they have some sort of ignorance/fascination with Nazi stuff – used to be that shop on Zhongxiao road called “Eiserne Kreutz” selling stuff, as well as numerous “trendy” shops selling Nazi flags alongside Aussie, U.S., British and other flags as wallhangings.

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I cannot finish this topic without dealing with this “Jews killed Ukrainians” stuff, otherwise I cannot sleep and my wife has to stand my bad mood. Then she fights back and I must sleep on the sofa later.

The quote of Screaming Jesus is from a racist neo-nazi organisation, the National Allicance. Do I have to tell what you have to expect from such an organization? They copy German runes in their logo.

I refuse to read all this crab, but the keypoint of Screamin’ Jesus Link-text is, the NKWD / Sowjet Union Secret Service would have been Jewish controlled and even more the NKWD. This is the old Nazi bullshit of the “Jewish world conspiracy” where Jews would controll Democracy, Libarals, Communism and Capitalism to make the people battle against each other, kill each other and finally Jews will rule the world.
Screaming Jesus, did you quote this by accident? Or do you believe in this Stuff? I have a very funny impression of you now.
Communists are not jewish-controlled, I do not have to explain this, or ?

Anyone?

:fume:

… and this “battle of the people” is Social-Darwinism, the root and basis of Nazism. If I am not wrong it dates back to some confused authors of the 19th century who never had any influence until Adolf Hitler was in contact with an older Austrian in his Vieanna:SleepingInTheHomelessPeopleQuarter-time who told him about this busshit.

Quote from Screamin’ Jesus’s link:

F…ing great!

The orgaisation posting this insanity is this:
natvan.com

Right, Jesus would be screaming if he got to see this.

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Whether you agree with the Royal family or not, the fact is that Harry is just a kid.
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He is not a kid. He is 20 years old. He became a man, an adult, at 18. Of course, he meant no harm by this silly thing he did, and his heart is not black, but ye gods, man, he is 20 f***ing years old! That is not a kid anymore.[/quote]

When I was 20 I was in Taiwan renting my own flat, teaching English, studying, drinking, and nobbing birds. That is “normal” for a 20-year old. Dressing up like a fucking Nazi is not in any way “normal” for a 20-year old.

How many 20-year olds, no, how many people of any age have any of you ever seen dress up as Nazis at parties ? Jesus. :loco:

This guy has a serious problem. I mean really. He must be fucked up. I mean he’s not had a great time of it.

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Whether you agree with the Royal family or not, the fact is that Harry is just a kid.
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He is not a kid. He is 20 years old. He became a man, an adult, at 18. Of course, he meant no harm by this silly thing he did, and his heart is not black, but ye gods, man, he is 20 f***ing years old! That is not a kid anymore.[/quote]

When I was 20 I was in Taiwan renting my own flat, teaching English, studying, drinking, and nobbing birds. That is “normal” for a 20-year old. Dressing up like a f***ing Nazi is not in any way “normal” for a 20-year old.

How many 20-year olds, no, how many people of any age have any of you ever seen dress up as Nazis at parties ? Jesus. :loco:

This guy has a serious problem. I mean really. He must be fucked up. I mean he’s not had a great time of it.[/quote]

[quote]One can be a fully-grown person and not be mature, or they can be a person young in years, but be very mature emotionally and mentally.
Some people never become adults and some people do so at a very young age.[/quote]
http://www.naturalhealthweb.com/articles/santino1.html

http://www.amasquerade.com/searchresults.asp?costume_search=nazi

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,2-1440355,00.html

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1105573215455_53?hub=World
Strange, most of the media reports I have read refer to some Jewish media group, Israeli politican, or German politican saying how bad it was. The others didn’t start ‘towing’ the line until they realized they would be accused of being racist for ignoring it.

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Right, Vannyel, in Germany we have developped a culture of nagging anyone who is not sticking to 100% political correct speech regarding holocaust. We are still far from being able to deal with this subject emotionally and culturally, I guess.

If you say anything slightly wrong in a discussion about the theme, you will be called an anti-semite - not by the Jewish Central Council but buy your discussion partners. So anyone quickly joins the chorus and sticks to the word which have been approved by the public.

I have read a SPIEGEL article which sounds as if they blame Harry for WWII. Totally rediculous to me. The people who did it are among the first to blame an outsider for the subject.

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And now the Hindus are weighing in…

[quote]
Hindus want to ‘reclaim’ swastika

Hindus in the UK are starting a campaign to reclaim the swastika from its Nazi associations.

German MEPs called for a Europe-wide ban of the symbol after Prince Harry wore it on a fancy dress costume.

But Hindu Forum spokesman Ramesh Kallidai said the swastika had been a Hindu good luck charm for centuries.

The group will stage public awareness workshops across the UK and lobby politicians in an attempt to educate the public and prevent a ban, he said.

“It’s the second most sacred symbol in the Hindu tradition which has been used for 5,000 years to ward off evil,” Mr Kallidai said. [/quote]

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4188141.stm

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Vannyel writes: “Strange, most of the media reports I have read refer to some Jewish media group, Israeli politican, or German politican saying how bad it was. The others didn’t start ‘towing’ the line until they realized they would be accused of being racist for ignoring it.”

Vannyel: what is it you really want out of all this discussion? an affirmation that you are right?

For your info, it was the UK press itself that first called attention to all this, not the Jewish media, not the Israeli media, not the German media. The good guys, the Brits, fleet street. Get over it. You lost this argument, big time, and in the meantime, have shown your true colours for what they are. Vannyel, we hardly knew ye.

You are a lost soul in the lost reaches of time. Who made you?

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Look, pre-Nazi Germany was like Yugoslavia in the 1990’s. One of the reasons Hitler hated Jews so much was because after bravely fighting for his country, he (and a zillion other soldiers like him) came home to find Jewish socialists agitating for Germany to join the international communist bloc. Yes, prior to Stalin Communism was very much Jewish-dominated. (Even Lenin was one-fourth Jewish.) Hitler didn’t just make that up.

That site was just something I googled up, but the guy sounds more objective than most of the Jewish sites that I’ve seen.

It seems to me that defenses of Hitler could logically take three forms. (a) The holocaust didn’t happen, (b) can’t make an omelet without cracking a few eggs, or © the Jews deserved it, and let’s have another one. Notice that these points are logically difficult to make together.

I would say that (a) is correct in that the “holocaust” is exaggerated and the product of politically-motivated special pleading. (b) is correct as well, except of course that the Germans lost and thus failed to make an omelet. In any case there’s no reason to assume that any life (or any human life) automatically has value just because it exists.

Finally © of course tweaks at our social norms, but is a very understandable reaction from the perspective of those viscerally involved in the fight–Palestinians for instance. As is often observed, Jews must really admire Nazism since they have emulated their social system so closely in Israel.

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I believe that the holocaust happened and that it was as bad as the conventional reports say it was. I also don’t believe the Jews in any way deserved it. (Can’t comment on the omelet part because I don’t get it.)

However, I also believe the bit about Harry is a tempest in a teapot. He’s probably just a goofy kid, an incompletely developed being with a lot of impulses and limited understanding. The most abnormal thing about him, in my view, is an external one, i.e., that he’s an English prince, so if he s***s his drawers the whole world is yammering about it within 24 hours.

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[quote=“lane119”]Vannyel writes: “Strange, most of the media reports I have read refer to some Jewish media group, Israeli politican, or German politican saying how bad it was. The others didn’t start ‘towing’ the line until they realized they would be accused of being racist for ignoring it.”

Vannyel: what is it you really want out of all this discussion? an affirmation that you are right?

For your info, it was the UK press itself that first called attention to all this, not the Jewish media, not the Israeli media, not the German media. The good guys, the Brits, fleet street. Get over it. You lost this argument, big time, and in the meantime, have shown your true colours for what they are. Vannyel, we hardly knew ye.

You are a lost soul in the lost reaches of time. Who made you?[/quote]
Actually it was Jewish groups in England that approached the press, and as I said rather than being called anti-semetic they jumped on it. But if I lost the argument, that is fine by me. But I still maintain it’s much to do about nothing.

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[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]. Yes, prior to Stalin Communism was very much Jewish-dominated. (Even Lenin was one-fourth Jewish.) Hitler didn’t just make that up.
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Screaming’ Something. I fed up. You tell nazi propaganda. Even your expression “one-fourth Jewish” reveals you, this is nazi-terminology.

Please answer, why you quoted from a neo-nazi web site and repeat their stupidity.

Hitler the anti-communism hero? My own grandfather was a communist, member of the KPD and in the town parlament of my hometown. He was raised in a time, when working class people like him hardly had enough to eat. I do not share his political opinion, but I am proud to bear his name.

Found another relative (uncle) who helped gathering Jewish Russians in the army… to be deported into death. Want to add this for completeness (most Germans like to skip the second part talking about their families).

So, Hitler is hero fighting commies, great.

Your statements implicate the Jews of Europe were like a political organization achieving goals… like enforcing communism. This is another nazi statement. A religon, having people like Einstein, capitalists like Rothschild and the simple street cleaner is no political group.

Of course there were jewish communists in Russia. Yes, and hobby-gardeners and piano-players as well.

If you are American, you should see the funny thing in now repeating the nonsense, what Germans got rid off thanks to American soldiers (and other Nations of course). This makes you amusing at least.

Let me post the cause of the Nazi rise in another post, maybe thread. Dictators usually figure out a sub group to blame things on to control public opinion, like Jews in this case. Goebbels was not even anti-jewish, he was Germanies PR specialist.

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@bob_honest: Well said. :bravo:

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What part of the article do you find incorrect, pray tell? Or is it just his political orientation?

What I’m telling you about nationalists versus “internationalists” was something everybody would have known back then. You can love them or hate them for it, but many Germans saw Jewish plans for Germany as a direct threat to their way of life. That’s what makes me think of Yugoslavia–different sides that are basically irreconcileable, with contradictory demands. War to the death was the only solution. Sorry the truth isn’t pretty.

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I for one find a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world a little far-fretched. More likely a group of well-trained businessmen working together to benefit each other and members of their community. Now in this day and age there would be several problems with ‘members of their community’ unless of course these were disenfranchised groups. Regardless, I have to admit that the existance of special interest groups - who owe their very existance to an event or a cause - suspect when using them as sources for any rational discussion. Fanatics are a dangerous sort and logic plays no part in their lives.

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[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]What part of the article do you find incorrect, pray tell? Or is it just his political orientation?
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Nazism is not a political orientation. It is madness.

Incorrect is, amoong many many things, that Communism was not Jewish-dominated. Nazis usually point out the Capitalist tradition of Jews. Do you want to leave that out?
How does it fit together with your Jewish-Communism?

And the Nazis said, Jews also conduct Democracy, to suck the blood of people. What about that? All three? haha.

So do I understand right, Germans only had the choice to kill Jews, do you mean that, when you say “war to death was the only solution?”

So did your own people (if I may assume you are American) do a mistake to fight Germany in WW2?

Do you at least know what you are talking about? Do you know Social-Darwinism for instance, which is the theoretic background of the term “anti-humans” for Jews?

Haha, at least you begin to show your true face now.

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Vannyel, some Jewish conspiracies demonstrably exist. The question is what kind, and how powerful. A “straw man” argument says that because it’s absurd to think Jews control the universe, it’s also absurd to say they have disproportionate power and influence in a given society.

Whoever complained that the expression “one-fourth Jewish” shows Nazi thinking, I remind you that Israel’s Law of Return uses a definition of Jewishness that is closer to Hitlerian than Rabbinic concepts. For the very good reason that it better reflects social reality.

Bob, on the question of Jewish domination of Communism, here is a site covering the situation in Poland in particular:

users.cyberone.com.au/myers/poland.html

And here’s another, admittedly somewhat less restrained, look at the larger situation:

revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

You think me wicked for saying violence was the only solution. Well, it’s a similar situation to Iraq today (if that’s easier to grasp). Democracy would put the Shi’is in power, so naturally Shi’is support it and Sunnis don’t. So what options does that leave the Sunnis? Skipping back to prewar Germany, how does a group of German nationalists reason with a group of Jewish Communists? The problem isn’t that they didn’t understand each other, the problem was that their goals and interests directly conflicted.

During World War II Jews supported various things that seemed likely to help them–international Communism in contrast to German nationalism, capitalism because money always helps, and so on. Hedging their bets, you might say. Same sort of thing still goes on today.

I think a lot of our difficulty of understanding this period comes from cultural differences. We forget that most German political parties of the time had those funky uniforms, for example–it wasn’t just a Nazi thing, there was a worldwide military fetish going on. (Take a closer look at the Boy Scouts.)

Hitler screaming and waving his arms around? Standard public speaking technique for an era with less broadcast technology than today. In person people described him as quiet and polite.

Concentration camps? Invented by Britain during the Anglo-Boer War. All this talk of a “holocaust” is basically Jewish propaganda to single out one set of violent acts, and imbue them with a special aura of sanctity that they deny to other similar acts (especially ones which they commit).

Maybe the biggest difference is that for us, Nazis are marginal and weird. (Bob calls me one in order to get people not to pay attention to me.) But back then, they were just regular people.

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Screamin’, I call you a nazi because you are bringing nazi statements.

Like defending Hitler and “him” killing Jews.