Notes from the Other China, a new book

Attention: esteemed members of the Forumosan Community… There will be a book launch for Notes from the Other China to be held at Taipei’s PS Cafe on Saturday, December 15th, 2007. Come one, come all. I’ll be doing a reading, but it’ll be short, so don’t worry. I still have 3/4 of a box of promotional copies that I will bring along and make available and there will be free snacks provided and of course the PS Cafe is well stocked with alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages. The PS Cafe is behind Puma at Sec.1, No. 181, Dunhua South Road.

I’m going to try and think of some ways to make the night a memorable one (ones that don’t involve me spewing, hopefully), but if anyone has any suggestions, then by all means post post haste.

And if you’re one of the three people who’ve actually read Notes from the Other China (thanks Dad!), then please let me know what you thought.

Thanks again for your interest and again: to read two free articles go to my author profile page on Amazon.com. Searching for the title should bring you there.

Now to post on the events forum…

Ed

I’ve read the book and it’s bloody good. As fate would have it, I was so inebriated at the time that I need to reread it (which I’m doing at the mo) before being able to post an intelligent review.
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I enjoyed Troy’s book. It read really smoothly. I judge a book by how quickly it is read. I read Troy’s book in two days (one day the first time but that doesn’t count because I was too wrecked to remember it).

“Notes from the Other China” is funny and has a nice unpretentious conversational tone; it pretty much feels as if you were sitting around a table sharing a beer and chewing the fat. Actually, this “feel” is harder to achieve than you would think. Another thing that stood out was the consistent “voice” throughout the book.

I like travelogues where I learn something new and in depth, but I also enjoy the first impressions stuff that Troy has written – it transported me back to my early days, a reminder of all the Taiwanese bizarreness that I now mostly take for granted. His take on Taiwan is pretty fair; he says that the “face stuff” is bullshit but acknowledges the friendliness of the locals.

If the book had been entirely about Taiwan, it would not have worked so well. But, seeing as it covers half a dozen countries, you get a good mix of things you can relate to and other material which is fresh. After reading it, I have a strong desire to go to Nepal.

Troy has a knack for putting crap English on paper. There’s a passage on page 99 that had me doubled up with laughter. He’s being reluctantly escorted around a Cambodian zoo. His guide keeps coming up with gems like, “Tease a parrot, have sex galore.” (These parrots have six colors.)

My only criticisms are that the last chapter (on Vietnam) should have been broken up into several units, and despite the beer drinking, there is a lack of references to hot Asian women.

Thanks John.

The website is up and running. There are a few fairly decent articles in the B-Sides Blog. Why not go and have a look?

troyparfitt.com/

One more thing:

IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUY THE BOOK FROM AMAZON, PLEASE BUY THE PAPERBACK EDITION. CLICK ON “Perfect Paperback.” It’s $11 cheaper.

And again. both PAGE ONE and ESLITE will order it for you. Last week it hit number 79 in “China books,” so somebody was buying it. If that was anyone out there, thanks.

Now, where’s that box of binglang?

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Notes just hit number 54 in “China books” on Amazon.com. Wow, I never expected this kind of reception. Fifty-four isn’t great, but at least if my writing career fails spectacularly (as it doubtlessly will) at least I’ll be able to say I made it into the charts… (or a chart)

Merry Xmas and a special thanks to the DPP for canceling it. (Please no reponses on how technically, they didn’t cancel Xmas. I know, I know.)

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BTW, here’s a link to a Craig Furguson’s website. You can read about the book launch and see some photos. Check out some of his other photos while you’re at it. They’re top notch.

blog.craigfergusonimages.com … ok-launch/

The book was the subject of a pretty devastating review in today’s Taipei Times:

[quote=“Bradley Winterton, in the Taipei Times”]‘Notes From the Other China’: insulting and ill-informed
Troy Parfitt, a Canadian national, spent nine years teaching English in Taiwan. This memoir demonstrates just how little he learned from his time here.

…It doesn’t take long for this kind of writing to become wearying in the extreme. It veers between the would-be outspoken and the plainly outrageous. Readers are probably intended to murmur admiringly that here is someone who really speaks his mind. My feeling, however, is that most of them are likely to fling this book down out of sheer embarrassment. I certainly did.[/quote]

Ouch! :doh:

[quote=“Maoman”]The book was the subject of a pretty devastating review in today’s Taipei Times:

[quote=“Bradley Winterton, in the Taipei Times”]‘Notes From the Other China’: insulting and ill-informed
Troy Parfitt, a Canadian national, spent nine years teaching English in Taiwan. This memoir demonstrates just how little he learned from his time here.

…It doesn’t take long for this kind of writing to become wearying in the extreme. It veers between the would-be outspoken and the plainly outrageous. Readers are probably intended to murmur admiringly that here is someone who really speaks his mind. My feeling, however, is that most of them are likely to fling this book down out of sheer embarrassment. I certainly did.[/quote]

Ouch! :doh:[/quote]

I believe that is Winterton’s first negative review. Ouch, indeed.

I should add that I don’t think this means much in the grand scale of things, and were I interested I would be looking at Almas John’s review.

Considering the buffoons who write for this rag, I’d say this speaks well for the book.

Howdy,

I had a feeling - from the rather terse way Mr. Winterton notified me that I could expect to see the review in today’s paper - that it might not be favorable. But I didn’t think it would be savaged. I feel that not only is the review unfair in the extreme, but that the reviewer purposefully distorts what I say.

For example, nowhere do I imply that Taiwanese friendliness is ridiculous. Nowhere. In fact, I mention it - sincerely - in at least two places. For example: “It must be said that Taiwanese … are an infinitely cooperative and friendly bunch…” And, “…(The Taiwanese) are absurdly friendly.” Winterton makes my quote “… these people can make you loopier than a spool of yarn,” appear as though I were disparaging (all) Taiwanese. But, that is not what it refers to at all. It is a reference to unprofessional bank tellers who treat foreign nationals with suspicion (in this case a specific group of banktellers who wouldn’t allow me to cash a government issued cheque, saying that I didn’t have the right ID, despite the fact I did). Also, I openly sympathize with Taiwan’s political plight and mention, for example, that they are not part of the WHO, something I find highly distasteful.

He also claims that I treat Japan sardonically and uses my admittedly rather silly chapter title No Yen for Japan as evidence. In fact, that is an allusion to how I foolishly lost my money and barely made it out of the country. By and large, I was only making fun of myself and my youthful foolishness. I was actually quite impressed with Japan, and still am, and said so in the book. Mind you, I do poke fun. I am, after all, a humorist. But if it’s one thing that Winterton was attemptiing to make clear in his review, it’s that humor is not always funny.

He also claims that I treat the Philippines sardonically. The chapter on the Philippines is largely about Ferdinand Marcos and the legacy of insitutionalized corruption that he left behind. Winterton asks, “What on earth, you wonder, will he have to say about Taiwan?” (as the section on Taiwan follows the one on the Philippines) Again, this chapter was - in the main - an overview of the life of a dictator; one of the worst dictators of all time. As I point out in my book, under Marcos’s reign of kleptocracy, the Philippines became “… an international center for arms trafficking, drug running, gambling, money laundering, prostitution, and child prostitution.” I then go immediately on to add that the effects of this period can still be seen today, which is a shame because “the Filippinio people are unquestionably a friendly lot and the country is quite beautiful.”

How, may I ask, is that sardonic? And how could I have treated the topic positively?

Here’s another example: I did indeed call Annette Lu a “poor, misguided soul.” Winterton has that right. But what he fails to mention is that I said so in response to her comment about AIDS being ‘God’s way of telling us that he couldn’t take it anymore.’ ‘That he had to mete out punishment, “or there wouldn’t be any difference between men and animals.”’ My own comment read, “I wonder if anyone has had the heart to inform this poor, misguided soul that humans are animals, or that millions of children have been born with this dreadful disease.”

Winterton also lambasts me for what I ‘perceive as Taiwan’s fondness for Nazi iconograpghy.’ Yes, the DPP used an image of Hitler in a TV ad, a restaurant featured pictures of the holocaust on its walls, a German heater company used a charicature of Hitler to try and sell its product, and Taiwan actually has a National Socialist party with a reported 1000 plus members. All of these stories have been in the news, including international news. Time magazine picked up on the heater story and I have an article from the Taipei Times - the newspaper Mr. Winterton writes for - about the holocaust shots. Like much else in the book, it’s not only what I percieve, it’s what can be substantiated by facts, figures, and evidence. I do know, after all, how to concretize a claim. I actually took two of my own surverys during this book and cite at least two more. It’s also liberally sprinkled with references and statistics, none of which Winterton mentions. He would have you believe that I am purely a “bad traveler” and a “loud-mouth,” and this, of course, is because my views don’t match up with his own.

Mr. Winterton accuses me of engaging in hostility. But I am not being hostile. I am simply trying to illustrate what a peculiar place Taiwan can be, or what a peculiar place Taiwan can be for me. The only thing hostile here is his review, which is little more than intellectual intolerance scribed by an individual whose love for this country precludes any negative assessments or any academic investigation that will lead to negative assessments. For the record, I also think my own country is unusual and hope to one day have a go at its many idiosyncracies (wearing baseball caps with beer logos comes to mind). I just haven’t gotten around to it yet.

I take particular issue with Winterton’s implication that I lie about the presence of police at an underground market in Seoul, South Korea, which sold things like cheese, mustard, and so on. That is absolutely the truth as anyone who ever went to Namdaemun Market in Seoul during the 1990s can tell you. In fact, police used to regularly harrass vendors and would occassionally tip over their stands. I saw this with my own two eyes. They were, as far as I know, selling foreign goods illegally, you see. And this at a time when there was a total ban on all Japanese goods. Additionally, yes, I did point out the high incidence of domestic violence in Korea. I saw plenty of examples and cross referenced the phenomenon in a book by leading Korea analyst, Michael Breen, entitled The Koreans. Winterton also seems to disbelieve my hearing about teachers being “roughed up” by the police. In fact, I heard a first hand account of someone being threatened to be roughed up by the police. But I never said, as Winterton says I do, that I had heard of “foreign language-teachers being beaten up” for not taking classes.

I would like to think that that is merely an oversight, and that Bradley Winterton didn’t engage in direct dishonesty in order to discredit me and my book. But, I can’t be so certain given that the majority of quotes are taken completely out of context. It is, of course, highly ironic that he insinuates - without so much as a particle of evidence, mind you - that I am lying when there is such obvious disparity between what I say and what he says I say. Also, why would I lie about police presence at an underground market? Surely, I could be more imaginative than that. But more to the point (and a point, I might add, entirely lost on this critic) the reference to the “cheddar police” was a joke.

Clearly, I hit a nerve. I am not allowed to poke fun of Mr. Winterton’s adopted homeland. I am not entitled to my opinions nor may I relate my own personal experiences. They are, in some undefined way, invalid as they don’t always cast people in this country and continent in the most favorable of lights. But of course the bitter dismissal of what I have to say, rather than its debate, is the argumentative equivalent of “Na, na, na, na, na. I can’t hear you.” This is staggeringly ironic given that one of my critcisms of Taiwan and/or Chinese society is an inability to admit or do something about an obvious problem. Winterton casts aside my description of Taiwan’s environmental troubles, saying that I engage in “heavy-handed irony.” What he fails to mention - yet again - is that my evaluation is based on a Yale survey, the results of which were featured prominently in the Taipei Times.

I seriously doubt Bradley Winterton found my article about Japan offensive. I only make fun of how hard it was to find a hotel that wasn’t a love hotel, which, I think you’ll agree, is hardly the type of thing to make someone “angry” as he claims to have been. I believe he just pretended he was offended by this and other sections because of what he really finds offensive: the somehwat casual and uncharitable assessments I make about Taiwan. The most telling line in his review is: “It’s hard to know whether Parfitt genuinely doesn’t see the innumerable positive qualities of the Taiwanese that I see, or whether he just believes that concentrating on any absurdities he can find will gain him the loudest barroom laughs.” Aye, and there’s the rub. It’s that I don’t see things the way he sees things, you see? Never is a stated fact refuted. Never is the quality of my writing brought into question. I just refuse to say, “Taiwanese people have, well, innumerable positive qualities,” and that is something he cannot accept.

His evaluation is purely and emphatically subjective, and by rendering such a devastating blow I can only assume Mr. Winterton is hoping that I won’t convert people into believing Taiwan is on occasiion an unusual place and one not to be taken so seriously. Instead of having the class, the maturity - the manliness - to say, “Well, I disagree with Parfitt here, here, and here, although I will concede that…” he simply - and tempestuously - brutalizes my point of view. There is not one, single, positive comment about the book, which many people have told me they sincerely enjoyed. My first book. That took me two years to write and another year to edit and have published. By a publishing house that specializes in academic volumes. In New York. Gee, thanks Brad.

Mr. Winterton concludes his review by saying he flung the book down “out of sheer embarrassment.” Perhaps he flung his laptop down. I never actually sent him a copy of the book. I sent him a file. Also, Mr. Winterton. Honestly. If nothing I put down was valid, then what was it that made you feel so embarrassed? And why do you think it was picked up by an industry hardened and experienced foreign publisher?

If you haven’t read the book and would like to, please send me a PM and I will see about getting you a complimentary copy. You can judge for yourself just who the ranter, who the loud-mouth, and who the bad traveler is. If you do read the book, I must warn you: you just might laugh. Heaven forbid.

Thank you very much,

Troy Parfitt

Sweet Mother of Baby Jesus!
Troy,
That is the harshest review I have ever read. I’m still shaking my head in disbelief. Bradley is usually very supportive of foreign writers, so I’m really surprised by the intensity of his dislike for your writing.
I suspect he was having a bad hair day - his goldfish died or something - and taking it out on you. Oh well, at least he didn’t say it was poorly written. :slight_smile:
Your book has a largely negative take on Taiwan (nothing wrong with that or indeed a book that just looked at the positive elements) and you look at the weirder stuff, but you certainly don’t come across as a TAIWAN HATER (someone like Forumosa’s Sandman who also has an Asian fetish). I just saw it as the usual frustrations an expat complains about, and - obviously - as a writer mining comedy.

Actually, Steve Crook’s book, which Bradley raved about (the most positive review I’ve ever seen him write) refers to Taiwan as a splendid “freak show” and dwells on a lot of the weirdness and contradictions of the place.

I have more stuff to write but must sign off. Packing up and moving out of Chiayi City. I just bagged a job reporting for the BBC from Beijing. Okay, I’ll take my hand off my knob - just moving deeper into the betel-nut, into the bowels of Chiayi County.

Chin up Troy.

I wouldn’t sweat it. The review is just one bloke’s opinion, and a badly written one at that.

Goddamn those bloody Taiwanese. Except the women. They’re hot.

I honestly don’t think its such a bad review, because its obviously harsh, so in a weird sort of way it compels me to go out and try to find a copy.

After all, even in the review, some of those criticisms aren’t exactly unfounded and there is a lot of truth to them.

If anything it actually peaked my interest. I mean, why spend all those years in Taiwan or the rest of Asia if it is as terrible as that reviewer makes it seem? Obviously there was a contradiction.

Winterton’s never heard of Korea’s cheese police? What kind of journalist so openly admits total ignorance of what he’s trying to talk about? Hats off to him.
Maybe he’s leaving the TT and seeking a job at the propaganda office – sorry, I mean the GIO. A Taiwan kiss-arse review like that is sure to look good on his resume. Wo AI Daiwan!

That is strange; usually Winterton does good reviews. I’m by no means a fan of the Times, but I’ve never had a problem with the book reviews before.

Oh, and Steve Crook’s book is quite good, IMHO, but too brief.

I actually complained to the Times. They said they would look into it. We’ll see. What really gets me, as I said, are the ‘or so Parfitt claims’ lines and they fact that quotes are taken almost wholly out of context. Well, that and he never even read the second half of the book, and OK, the whole bloody thing really.

I sent a link of this discussion to Winterton and asked him to reply, but seeing as how I called his review a “sissy-fit bitch rant,” I have an inkling that he might not. :wink:

“These people can make you loopier than a spool of yarn.”

Well, I’m about halfway through your book Troy, and in this case I can quite confidently say that Brad is full of shit.

The book is a very funny and more accurate than most of what I’ve seen written as pertains to Taiwan. I’ve also known quite a few people who have taught in Korea, and their accounts matched yours too.

The facts you present (the examples taken from media) are things we all know to be true, and if they paint an uncomplimentary picture of Taiwan then blame the facts not the compiler. As to the conclusions you draw, and opinions of Taiwan, I don’t agree with everything you say (eg, today I read a sentence along the lines of most of Taiwan outside a few select areas is pretty ugly), but I agree with most of it, and that’s more than usual. I fuck of a lot was absolutely spot on.

‘Notes From the Other China’ isn’t a travel guide, it’s an account of actual life in a different country - closer to something like ‘Speed Tribes’ or ‘Video Night in Kathmandu’ - so it’s naturally going to focus on the weird differences between Taiwan and our home countries. The stories are exactly the things I wind up telling friends who visit.

I didn’t get the impression that you hate Taiwan at all. You’re a bit harsher than me perhaps, but what some people have to realise is that there’s people who have been here years, love the place and love the people, but who have absolutely every right to point out the bad aspects of Taiwanese society too.

Yeah, sod that review. He was full of shit.

Brian

I realize that I made a mistake in saying that much of Taiwan is quite ugly. Before I wrote that, I’d been to Hualien, Ilan (which is pretty green), Kaohsiung and Kenting. Oh, and Taoyuan and Miaoli - and I was generally unimpressed. But last summer I did the old round island trip and found Nantou county, the East Rift Valley, and Orchid Island especially to be georgeous, just stunning. Green Island, Jinmen, and Penghu are all nice too. So, I felt a little foolish driving around Nantou County and remembering that I’d written that bit.

I think Winterton’s assessment that I think “Foreigners, or at least Asians, are ridiculous…” to be a bit much. Well, I find the whole thing to be a bit much. Now, if you Google the book title, you get his review at the top of the list: ‘Notes from the Other China’: Insulting and Uninformed.’ Troy Parfitt, a Canadian national, spent nine years teaching English in Taiwan. This memoir demonstrates just how little he learned from his time here.’

It should be interesting to see what the Taipei Times has to say in the end.

Anyway, thanks and I hope you enjoy the second half. If you didn’t fling it down out of sheer embarrassment by now, it should be smooth sailing.