Just starting a new thread so discussion doesn’t get absurdly off-topic in the other thread:
I do not at all like the idea of referendums being used to do things as specific as shutting down a particular power plant. There is a reason most of the world’s mature democracies (including Taiwan) utilize a representative system instead of a direct system. If referendums are deemed necessary in a representative democracy, they should be on issues pertaining to the system and structure of government itself…not on specific points of policy and legislation. That’s my opinion anyway.[/quote]
I doubt most Taiwanese people would give a rats ass had Nuclear Power Planet 4 not been a complete and utter mess from design to construction. Yet those in power would continue to push forward construction despite numerous calls from experts to halt construction all together. This is exactly where the referendum system should be put to use.[/quote]
Disagree. And the majority got what they wanted in this case anyway. The plant is completed, has passed rigorous examinations from international agencies, and is pretty much ready to go…but has been sealed up until a referendum. You say “numerous calls from experts to halt construction,” but most of those calls have been from relatively anti-nuclear organizations…The experts that are in charge of ensuring that nuclear power plants are safe and ready to go into operation have given Lungmen the green light. Anyway…this isn’t the thread for this discussion. Suffice it to say that I don’t agree with referendums being used to decide energy policy and such. Want that done…then vote for representatives that agree with you.[/quote]
Generator 1 was only 90% complete, how would international agencies rate an incomplete generator as ready to go? From what I can gather, the nuclear agency make enquiries to DRS and PLuS32 to evaluate whether the systems are still ok after 10 years. Post Fukushima, they got ENSREG, OECD and NEA to do stress tests. Finally, they got a group of 12 GE people to make evaluations back in 2013, not items all were passed. There are some issues with that assessment because GE was after all very involved in the project and these GE people probably shouldn’t be counted as “international agencies”.
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After the GE review, there are at least 10 outstanding issues that weren’t included in the review because these were problems that should have been addressed much earlier on
Dr. Lin Zhongyao (林宗堯) who is strongly opposed to the nuclear plant going into operation was GE’s contractor supervisor on site during construction. He has serious considerations about the integrity of basic infrastructures, because he saw many problems and had a hard time to have any of them addressed.
Regarding the systems, Dr. Lin said in 2010, the control room experienced a fire, and the CVCF system (and it’s redundant backup) that was supposed to keep the plant powered malfunctioned. 3/4 of the system’s capacitors, 70 control processors were burnt, the current spike dampeners also failed, causing the display panels in the main control room to fail. Had such an event happened while the generator was in operation, it would mean engineers would lose control over the generators temperature, pressure, cooling, and water level. Dr. Lin believes since many of the systems are mashup efforts, the problems are deep rooted in the designs being overly complex and uncoordinated.
it’s built at a place where Taiwan is most susceptible to tsunamis
on average of every 150 years, there’s would be a massive tsunami taking place in the area from Ryukyu to Northern Taiwan. The highest recorded wave was 80 meters high (1771), the highest recorded wave, 8 m, in Northern Taiwan was 1867’s Keelung (Jilong) tsunami.
it’s built on a fault
there are underwater volcanoes around the site
Ma only postponed construction so that the referendum wouldn’t happen during the election last week. Also hopefully the Nuclear 4 power plant issue would be handled by the next president. Too bad without nuclear power plant 4 referendum on the ballot, KMT still lost many of the elections.[/quote]
There are two reactors at the Lungmen Plant. It is my understanding that reactor No. 1 has been completely greenlighted and sealed. It was originally supposed to go into operation near the end of this year or early 2015. No. 2 is approximately 90% completed, and construction has been halted.
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Every nuclear reactor fails items on early inspection runs. Those inspections have the purpose of identifying things that need to be addressed before greenlighting the reactor before operation. Reactor No. 1 now passes all of those items.
One anti-nuclear guy’s opinion.
That was 2010. The reactor was still 4 years out from being deemed fit for operational. It now is ready and passes all international standards.
The following statement concerns Taiwan nuclear safety in general:
[quote]In January 2012 the AEC said that its post-Fukushima inspections found “no safety concerns” with the six operating nuclear units. It also required Taipower itself to review the nuclear plants’ safety margins by following the European Union’s reactor stress test requirements.
A review conducted by the European Commission and the European Nuclear Safety Regulators’ Group (ENSREG) in 2013 confirmed that the safety standards used by Taiwan’s nuclear power plants are generally high and comply with international state-of-the-art practices. [/quote]
The same company and oversight committee that runs those plants will be running the Lungmen plant. There is no reason to assume safety standards would be lower there than at the older plants, and in fact, the reactor design used at Lungmen is a much safer design than the other plants.
5.-7. If true, it’s pretty much true about any location around Taiwan. Standards have been beefed up for this reactor because of its location…in Taiwan. I just don’t share the extreme fear of nuclear incidents. The way I look at it is that Fukushima was a near perfect storm…everything that could have gone wrong, did. Record-breaking earthquake, record-breaking tsunami, old, outdated reactor with outdated backup systems, etc. And still…not a SINGLE radiation-related death and scientist don’t think there will be a statistically observable rise in cancers either.