# On sexual crimes and false accusations **URL:** \ **Category:** Open Forum\ **Tags:** crime\ **Created:** [April 19, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701 "2021-04-19T04:29:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DrewC](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/drewc/32/224499_2.png) [@DrewC](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DrewC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:29am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/1 "2021-04-19T04:29:40Z")
> [@The Morgue 2021](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-morgue-2021/200868/248): > > It’s a sign of the times that sexual assault allegations against him were dismissed but his career was still destroyed. He’s clearly suicided. There’s a special place in Hell for those that make false rape/sex assault allegations. They not only destroy the lives of those falsely accused, but make a mockery of the pain and trauma real assault victims go through. Unfortunately the media refuses to take the issue of fake accusations seriously because it conflicts with their woke “believe all women” agenda. There’s no longer a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 4:38am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/2 "2021-04-19T04:38:17Z")
In this case the accusers were guys. ---
**Author:** ![DrewC](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/drewc/32/224499_2.png) [@DrewC](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DrewC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 5:10am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/3 "2021-04-19T05:10:47Z")
> [@BiggusDickus](#): > > In this case the accusers were guys. Still applies. Believe all accusers then. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/4 "2021-04-19T05:31:54Z")
> [@The Morgue 2021](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-morgue-2021/200868/252): > > > [@BiggusDickus](#): > > > > In this case the accusers were guys. > > Still applies. Believe all accusers then. What’s particularly awful is the Royal Ballet ordered an independent investigation which found there were > "no matters to pursue” in relation to students But he still got blacklisted. To the point where dance companies refused to perform his works, even if he wasn’t involved in the production. So, why bother with investigating anyone accused if their lives and careers are going to be destroyed regardless of whether they are cleared or not? It’s unbelievably vindictive and goes against all due process. ---
**Author:** ![DrewC](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/drewc/32/224499_2.png) [@DrewC](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DrewC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 5:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/5 "2021-04-19T05:33:07Z")
Shades of this. > **[The Trial](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial)** > > The Trial (German: Der Process, later Der Proceß, Der Prozeß and Der Prozess) is a novel written by Franz Kafka between 1914 and 1915 and published posthumously on 26 April 1925. One of his best-known works, it tells the story of Josef K., a man arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime revealed neither to him nor to the reader. Heavily influenced by Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov, Kafka even went so far as to call D ---
**Author:** ![finley](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/57b2e6/32.png) [@finley](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/finley)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 6:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/6 "2021-04-19T06:49:27Z")
I was thinking in terms of Oscar Wilde’s show trial. Definite echoes of 1895 in this case. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/7 "2021-04-19T06:53:57Z")
> [@finley](#): > > I was thinking in terms of Oscar Wilde’s show trial. Definite echoes of 1895 in this case. Wilde kind of brought it on himself. That is in no way to suggest that Wilde should have been treated as he was, but this case was a bit different. ---
**Author:** ![finley](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/57b2e6/32.png) [@finley](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/finley)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 7:13am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/8 "2021-04-19T07:13:54Z")
Well yeah … he did rather take delight in rubbing the authorities up the wrong way. But the way he was “cancelled” has definite parallels with what’s happening today. And Britain now appears to have lost a unique talent in a very similar manner. Perhaps Alan Turing might be a better comparison. ---
**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 7:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/9 "2021-04-19T07:16:45Z")
The Guardian piece reads like he disappeared into some woke ether at the time of the accusation. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 7:19am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/10 "2021-04-19T07:19:17Z")
> [@finley](#): > > Well yeah … he did rather take delight in rubbing the authorities up the wrong way. But the way he was “cancelled” has definite parallels with what’s happening today. And Britain appears to have lost a unique talent in a very similar way. I know nothing, and have little interest in, dance choreography. But, it must have been a big loss to him to have lost his career, reputation, and I guess his art. The main accusations against him seemed to be requesting naked photos of male dancers, which they agreed to but then complained that they felt pressured. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_PBH](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mr_pbh/32/230938_2.png) [@Mr\_PBH](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mr_PBH)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/11 "2021-04-19T15:47:50Z")
> [@BiggusDickus](#): > > The main accusations against him seemed to be requesting naked photos of male dancers, which they agreed to but then complained that they felt pressured. Didn’t Yale used to do that? Ask for nudes of all freshman? ---
**Author:** ![yyy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/yyy/32/12085_2.png) [@yyy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/yyy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/12 "2021-04-19T22:29:43Z")
Thing is, though, it’s a paradox: the accused (of rape etc.) is presumed innocent, but if false accusation is a crime, then the accused (of false accusation) is also presumed innocent… ![Two-Buttons](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/4/4/449619068f45c70ca581c70c2a8d899f2e120758.jpeg) The nuance of “believe victims” that gets lost in mass hype is that it isn’t supposed to be an abolition of the presumption of innocence but a culture shift away from “oh so you claim you were raped eh well what were you wearing how many drinks did you have [why didn’t you keep your knees together](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Camp)” etc. etc., towards presuming people who report sex crimes are not liars or confabulators, the way people who report other crimes are not presumed to be liars or confabulators (unless they do it every 5 minutes). > [@BiggusDickus](#): > > But he still got blacklisted. By whom? One article implies Royal Ballet kicked him out. [Another](https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-56765157) implies he chose to leave after he was cleared. :idunno: At least two other companies canceled shows he was supposed to work on, but the details are vague. The Australian one said it was unable to comment for legal reasons. :idunno: > [@The Morgue 2021](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-morgue-2021/200868/259): > > The main accusations against him seemed to be requesting naked photos of male dancers, which they agreed to but then complained that they felt pressured. As a general statement (not about Mr. Scarlett because I don’t know the details), sometimes actions are legal but sleazy/sketchy/dodgy/nasty/bad – the kind of stuff that could result in an official “no further matters to pursue” type decision yet not put the not-being-pursued person into a position of being able to sue anyone for false accusation. Along the lines of _you have amazing talent and we value you, but we also value these other people who also have amazing talent, and some of them can’t stand you, so on balance we have a lot of trouble justifying keeping you here like this_. Would you want to keep an employee in a situation like that? ---
**Author:** ![QuaSaShao](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/quasashao/32/220200_2.png) [@QuaSaShao](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/QuaSaShao)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/13 "2021-04-19T23:24:49Z")
> [@yyy](#): > > Thing is, though, it’s a paradox: the accused (of rape etc.) is presumed innocent, but if false accusation is a crime, then the accused (of false accusation) is also presumed innocent… That would explain why accusers are allowed to remain anonymous while those accused of rape are publicly named. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/14 "2021-04-20T00:01:24Z")
Perhaps he was a dodgy old queen. I used to work for one. However, the facts are: 1. Allegations were made about him. 2. He was cleared of these allegations. Possibly because the allegations were untrue. Possibly because “no further matters to pursue”. 3. He then stopped working for some reason. Perhaps he wasn’t blacklisted and was taking a rest. 4. The day after his final performance was cancelled (because of the allegations) he appears to have topped himself. But even if the allegations were true, how serious were they? He asked grown men to send him nude photos and touched some guy’s arse. Are people unable to deal with this nowadays? Has an entire generation lost its balls? ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/15 "2021-04-20T00:13:40Z")
Asking for nudes and fondling people ? Were those people working for him.? Was he the gatekeeper for their careers ? He only has himself to blame then that his own career was ruined. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/16 "2021-04-20T00:16:08Z")
> [@Brianjones](#): > > Asking for nudes and fondling people ? > Were those people working for him.? > Was he the gatekeeper for their careers ? > > He only has himself to blame then that his own career was ruined. He’s been permanently cancelled now. ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/17 "2021-04-20T00:17:45Z")
He cancelled himself to be fair. He screwed up his own career . What he did he could get away with in the old days but not now . Rightfully so. He had a choice to do something else. ---
**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/18 "2021-04-20T00:18:13Z")
> [@Brianjones](#): > > He cancelled himself to be fair. > He screwed up his own career . What he hid he could get away with in the old days but not now . > He had a choice to do something else. He was cleared. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/19 "2021-04-20T00:20:44Z")
> [@BiggusDickus](#): > > He asked grown men to send him nude photos and touched some guy’s arse. Are people unable to deal with this nowadays? do you also say He asked grown women to send him nude photos and touched some girl’s arse. Are people unable to deal with this nowadays? ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701/20 "2021-04-20T00:22:31Z")
They didn’t pursue it further and they fired him. He offered no statement. He could have brought them to court for unfair dismissal (it’s very easy to do in the UK) but didn’t. In the end he messed up somewhere and should have moved on with another career. The same thing can happen in any industry. [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/on-sexual-crimes-and-false-accusations/205701.md?page=2)