[quote]Pan-blue supporters in Kaohsiung on Monday accused the local government of intending to destroy some ballots from the presidential election in a waste incinerator. But the accusation turned out to be an unfounded rumor.
On Monday, suspicious pan-blue supporters gathered in front of a waste incinerator in the Sanmin district, claiming that some ballots were on a garbage truck with ZN569 number plate. The venue was immediately closed off by the police.
Prosecutors checked the truck and found instruction leaflets for the presidential election. Used stationery and envelopes were also found, prosecutors said. There were no ballots on the truck.
The examination was witnessed by officials from the city’s election commission, Kaohsiung Deputy Mayor Lin Yun-chien, and the press.[/quote]
Interesting to hear it the way the man himself descibes it. He was desperately trying to NOT upset the electoral process by hamming up the shooting. Yet to me he looks just like a person in shock in that photo. look at his expression. Peopel in paioften grab their hands or wrists.
Perhaps as part of his desire to play it down they pulled one of the undoubtedly many campaign jackets out to hide the blood. Perhaps his old jacket is stuffed up there to stop him drippingblood all over the floor. Hell, who knows? But the likely answers far outway the likelihood of any conspiracy.
Sorry Dasgrrl, don’t have the pic at hand. I have seen it though.
HG has been present at more than a few surgeries due to his former choice of earning a living. He’s spent more time in an emergency ward than the rest of us combined.
[quote=“Spack”]There is one photo which does need some explaining. It’s of Chen walking into hospital (the one where his right hand is holding his left wrist).
There’s no sign of blood or a bullet hole on his jacket. He might not be holding his hands to his stomach because it would be painful to touch, but it really doesn’t look like a picture of someone who’s just been shot, even if it was flesh wound.
But, if he was trying to stage it he’d be in full acting mode, staggering, clutching himself.[/quote]
My theory is he gets the wound after he goes to the operation room and those doctors “make” the wound.
So what you described about the photo is bad acting. He has to act like he’s been shot but he fails.
I am still uneasy about the shooting. Even though my gut reaction is that it was a true assassination attempt, something keeps bothering me.
Chen has not seemed like a man who barely escaped with his life. If it had really been a shooting, wouldn’t he be very very angry and make a speech about this to the public, and by his language and body language show that he was really glad to be alive by the skin of his teeth! But he seems post shooting to be like a robot, no emotions, as usual.
The two casings were found beneath were a cop car had been parked at the rally. AFter it drove away, a local kid found the casings there and remembered the cop car had been there. COuld that not have been a convenient yet stupid way to dispense with the casings? “under the car, sarge!” QUICK!
Lu also has not seemed her usual angry self. post shooting that is. She normally would be ranting and raving about being shot at. But she has been quiet. It almost feels like something weird did transpire. Like a possible staged event… (I can’t believe I am saying this, but it’s coming out, day by day…)
The nurse who called Sisy Chen about the set up, she worked at the hospital, which is owned by a rich backer of Taiwan independence, and the hosptial has even ackknowleded who she is and that she did call Sisy Chen that day. Why would a normal soft spoke nurse make such a ridiculous accusation if it was not even remotely true? Maybe she backs the KMT, yes, and just make trouble. But maybe, in this Alice in WOnderland world we live in here, maybe she has a conscience?
An assassination attempt in a national leader is a very grave event, yet the DPP and Chen himself have not reacted post shooting in the manner I would have thought they would. No real SHock, no real indignation, no real fright!
It’s not over til the fat lady sings.
Note: I know I am 1000000% wrong in the above notes, BUT…something still bothers me about chen and lu’s lack of reaction. It almost seems like a script.
and 7. usually the cops here get their man. so far, it seems this gangster shooter on a bike got away. In Tainan, pay the cops off, the cops are in cahoots with the DPP, it is possible.
It is not possible…
But…
Does anyone share my doubts, even though I support DPP 10000000000000%? It’s a real mystery caper. I want to know the truth before I go to sleep tonight.
hey, thanks for the traffic to my site, and the animosity. please don’t label me as a particlular pan-color. i’m not. i can’t vote. i’m just curious why the foreigners i know are about 50/50 on this, while the chinese folks i’ve asked so far are 80/20.
[quote=“cybertai”][quote=“Spack”]There is one photo which does need some explaining. It’s of Chen walking into hospital (the one where his right hand is holding his left wrist).
There’s no sign of blood or a bullet hole on his jacket. He might not be holding his hands to his stomach because it would be painful to touch, but it really doesn’t look like a picture of someone who’s just been shot, even if it was flesh wound.
But, if he was trying to stage it he’d be in full acting mode, staggering, clutching himself.[/quote]
My theory is he gets the wound after he goes to the operation room and those doctors “make” the wound.
So what you described about the photo is bad acting. He has to act like he’s been shot but he fails.[/quote]
Why does a man who just gets shot walks into E.R. room by himself?
and according to your theory, how did the doctors make the wound? with a knife? a gun in the hospital? or have you not yet made up that part of your theory?
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So what you described about the photo is bad acting. He has to act like he’s been shot but he fails.[/quote]
uh, have you ever been shot? how do you know how people who’ve been shot act? just because YOU’D be wailing and screaming and crying for mommy, doesn’t mean everyone else would.
If you’ve ever had a serious injury you’d know that often the body doesn’t respond to the pain until much later, such as say the next day. Shock inhibits the pain receptors, it’s a natural bodily defense mechanism.
Believe it or not, I was once nearly hit by a bullet shot through a train window in England. The bullet came through the window just over my head and I heard it hit the opposite wall or fall to the floor of the carriage. The bullet made a neat round hole in the window with no shattering. This happened when I was 12 years old or thereabouts.
IMHO, if it’s staged, Chen was shot by a real gun with a real bullet
on THE SURGERY TABLE. The DNA’ed bullet was trapped by a bucket of water or something like that.
(Did the bullet enter from the left? Should it be at the right, instead?)
Lu’s knee was poked by a flag stick(or whatever) on the way to hospital so
she’s carried in.
My theory is he gets the wound after he goes to the operation room and those doctors “make” the wound.
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and according to your theory, how did the doctors make the wound? with a knife? a gun in the hospital? or have you not yet made up that part of your theory?
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Hey, don’t spoil a good theory by digging into it, Flipper.
Got anything else to support your “theory” cybertai? Maybe a random selection of what some chen-haters feel about it? The incredibly perceptive observation that Chen walked into the hospital?
So far what I’ve seen is this–I don’t like Chen, it came at a very bad time for the KMT, it must have been faked, therefore I will manufacture some theories to support this view. This must be some Chinese kind of logic
Mitigating against this view is a car with bullets in it, a bullethole in the windshield, and wounded people. Just give me a shred of evidence, something, anything to explain these for the love of God, before you castigate the man.
But I won’t be holding my breath. These people hate Chen for who he is and what he represents. They are unable to sympathize with Chen as they would have liked nothing better to have seen him shot and killed. This can be seen by the complete lack of respect among them for a man who was nearly killed and the absolute blind willingness to attribute this near death to his own trick.
Here is my theory. Lien and Soong planned the whole thing as a ploy. Their people were instructed to not be caught at any cost. If they were killed, fine. If not, the whole thing could be used as a ploy to an extremely willing to be fooled portion of the population that Chen planned the whole thing himself, thus serving as a safety valve–an excuse to foment discord and a reason to discredit his election–in case the election was lost.
If that’s not a better theory than any of the ones i read above, i’ll eat my hat.
My theory is he gets the wound after he goes to the operation room and those doctors “make” the wound.
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and according to your theory, how did the doctors make the wound? with a knife? a gun in the hospital? or have you not yet made up that part of your theory?
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Maybe the knife. And that’s why the wound looks like a knife wound to me.
Anyway, that’s my guess, or theory for lane119’s questions.
What about makeup/tomato ketchup. (or has someone else said that already.) It would be a whole lot less painful! It looks convincing in the movies, so why not now?
All this talk of a staged event - how come there wasn’t much drama to it? One
would think that if he’s going to go through all that trouble to make a splash,
he’d at least make it count. To continue waving to the crowd and then
having him casually walk into the hospital defies the logic of planning in the
first place.
If you’re going to stage an event, how could you not have one or more of
these elements:
CSB grimacing in pain. perhaps grunting “it’s…just a flesh wound”
video still of him on stretcher, being wheeled into ER
Hollywood FX’ers pulling out their Rambo make-up kit
Seriously, wasn’t it reported that he revealed his surgical scars to some of
those in doubt? For some reason, they had little else to say afterwards.
Could it be that they’re finally running out of theories?
