Tell me about it “Axis of Evil,” Steel Tariff against the EU, and the War in Iraq. It’s not easy being a citizen of USA and trying to explain our foreign policy abroad.
Unless ROC can somehow come up with the cash USA has been asking for in the past 4 years to the consulting and purchase of ROC advance military equipment against those 700+ missles and 5 nukes…I suggest you call home as well.[/quote]
Answer the questions you fool. I would prefer the US steel tariffs to 700+ missiles any day.
The one things might hurt your wallet, the other takes your freedom and life.
As a citizen of the USA I find it odd that you are a dictatorship lover and a tyrant apologist.
Simply because not everyone shares the same veneration/blind obedience for western democracy. Democracies have been the anomaly in the entirety of human developement. Maybe what Fukuyama said was true, and this is the end of history. Or maybe he was wrong, and the political climate could shift some time down the future when people will regard Republicans (Not in the American sense but rather supporters of Republican governments) as anomalies the same way authoritarians are regarded today in the west.
If you are an American citizen, shouldn’t you be looking out for American interests? Which would mean that you would be against Taiwanese independence since it destabilizes the status quo, making it bad for business.
I’m not american, and I believe firmly that it is in the US interest to have as many democracies as possible, as they tend to be more stable and more open to trade.
I venerate the modern democracy as the least bad form of rule. Also, I firmly believe that there are absolute values, and that freedom to live your life as you see fit is one, only guaranteed in a democracy. Therefore, I see the modern western democracy as the end of history, and as it in fits and starts spreads all over the globe, the world will become an incresingly peaceful and properous place.
I did answer you question. It is not about Steel tariff. My examples illustrate that world politics operates on the principle of “Might makes Right”. The USA has done things in the past that when held up the standards of “absolute morality” was clearly evil and wrong. It continues to do so as with my most recent 3 examples.
To believe in Cold War dogma of Communism bad and Democracy good is somewhat infantile in this situation. Clearly history has shown when held up to “absolute morality” all 3 parties involved in the Strait conflict were never “absolutely good”.
My wallet actually employees quite a few people in ROC, PRC, and USA. Cut off or decrease their wages and I will be taking away their ability to exercise “freedom and life.” Neither Democracy nor Communism guarantees freedom and life in the modern world. However, money does.
More like as a US citizen I am wary of our continued interested in viewing Asia in a Cold War paradigm. The Cold War is over. It is no longer about Communism vs. Democracy anymore. It is about Globalization. International markets. Information age. Uplifting the masses through commerce and education.
If you want my opinion of the evolution of Socialism which resulted in the society of Democracy and Communism…They have both evolved to only 3 truism thus far. 1) The economy must be regulated in order to ensure people are treated fairly. 2) There will always be a class system since people are born with innate qualities of different levels that have real valued in society. 3) A strong central government is needed to ensure stability in society to ensure individuals can pursue their interest outside of basic human needs.
Acedemic and politician know this is a flawed policy. It means that there is a cookie cutter process to govern and supervise people. Which is not true. If the USA is not careful it will go the way of USSR, who also believe that they had the best cookie cutter method of governing people.
In other words, you believe “that if everyone thinks and acts like me, the world would be a better place.” Unfortunately, that will never be the case in the world.
…But overall the US has been clear in its implicit support of Taiwan, their policy on the USSR did change on the detail side, but still kept the overall goal. Moreover, I don’t agree to the notion that the US invasion of Iraq was wholly evil, it has gone sour, but overall, the goals pursued are worthy ones. Additionally imperfect absolute morality is better than nene at all.
While not absolutely good, then Taiwan on the scale between good and evil scores way higher than China. You have something worth defending here, and something everybody - especially you - should stand up for.
Plain wrong. Democracy has been associated with higher and more stable economic growth, as the rights guaranteeing you to freedom to do business are guaranteed better onder a democracy. The recent debacle in China over Chi Mei is a case in point. The Chinese rule has a sorry record when it comes to protecting the rights of businessmen to do business.
The cold war is not over here. Whine the information age might change China over time, this is a long process and still hampered by the CCP. While I agree wholly and also hope that the modern world will make its distinct mark on the chinese psyche, I don’t hold my breath.
Hmmm, I am a liberalist, and I don’t see Karl Marx coming with a strong contribution to the development of modern democracy. Regulating the economy… The less the better. Strong gevernments tend to get into peoples way, and that’s never good. “If someone wants to help you, then run away for your life.”
Acedemic and politician know this is a flawed policy. It means that there is a cookie cutter process to govern and supervise people. Which is not true. If the USA is not careful it will go the way of USSR, who also believe that they had the best cookie cutter method of governing people.[/quote]
There’s no cookie cutter process leading to a modern democracy, even if you look at European countries, you can see that their paths have been very dissimilar. The alternatives to democracy? Communism? Failed. Authoritanism? Has been tried and with a somewhat spotted record.Democracy still beats most alternatives hands down.
Jinmen and Matzu are not part of Taiwan province, but rather they are part of Fujian province. The original poster wasn’t exactly too articulate. What he meant was that Jinmen and Matzu are the only parts of China (besides Taiwan province) which is actually under the direct control of the RoC.[/quote]
You arrogant little ponce! How dare you have the gall to tell people what I mean in my “not exactly too articulate” post. And you don’t have a bloody clue what you are talking about. Fact: Taiwan and the Penghu group were given away by China, by international treaty in 1895. Fact: They were never restored to China by international treaty. No Chinese government has been the legitimate sovereign of Taiwan since 1895. The KMT government in 1945 and after was in fact a government of military occupation. Now Kinmen and Matsu were not part of the 1895 deal with Japan. They stayed as part of China. So after Cash My-check was kicked out of China in 1949 they became the only areas over which his government had legitimate sovereignty.
and you are a separatist prick? your point being? Everyone here likes to argue that Taiwan and the accompanying islands were never technically returned to the RoC. Citing the San Francisco treaty between the U.S. and Japan that stated only that Japan officially renounced its claims on them. The letter of the law must also be taken into consideration the intent of the law. The intent of the San Francisco treaty was not to create a territory of null ownership, the Cairo conference had priorhand made it clear that they were to be returned to China. Accept the fact that TI as we know it today did not exist as of 1945 or 1952 and the intentions were not to create a sovreign territory out of Taiwan. That is only ad hoc justification used by filthy expatriat separatists like yourself.
separatist first, being an expatriat just adds more fuel to the fire. As for civility, I’ve read the same or worse from the die-hard independence crowd whenever some random fellow makes any pro-unification statement yet no one asks for civility then. God, now I know what a Republican feels like at a Phish concert. The sheer sanctimony is suffocating.
…And in the meantime, the areas were to be under US administration.
Therefore, we are talking about a US protectorate. Now, a majority of that protectorate wants independence, which US has a proven track record of giving.
When it comes to calling us foreigners here filthy expats, then I will happily and officially propounce you a racist scumbag. I would be surprised if the roots of your family on your fathers side does not even to 60 years back on this island - therefore you are only by degrees less of an expat than we are.
hmm…why does everyone here like to assert that taiwan is a protectorate of the US?
such an opinion used to be ridiculed. seems to be gathering greater acceptance among people who have gone back and actually read the legal documents. could it be gathering newfound acceptance because most of the folks who took the time to research it instead of regurgitate their high school history teachers grew up in republics and recognize the “rule of law” supercedes the “rule of man”?
in your opinion, which takes precedence: “rule of law” or “rule of man”?
the former leaves you international treaties to study. the latter leaves you a feudal sideboy.
Simple for TI to work it needs the USA. Thus TI supporters will grasp at any wisp of USA support. USA “strategic ambiguity” is working marvelously on ROC.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]Simple for TI to work it needs the USA. Thus TI supporters will grasp at any wisp of USA support. USA “strategic ambiguity” is working marvelously on ROC.[/quote]There is no such thing as Taiwan Independence movement, this is a misnomer as it should be called the Taiwan Truth movement, because Taiwan is already a sovereign entity. There is only the CCP/KMT Pro-Unification Alliance that is trying to change the status quo which will only lead the PRC and Taiwan down the dangerous path of war and destruction of millions of PRC citizens.
…and is important for keeping this place free and the guys in Beijing guessing. the US policy has been good for Asia, barring the rabid fringe in China. Their behavior is roughly on par with 1930’s Germany.
