# Pelosi visiting Taiwan in August 2022 **URL:** \ **Category:** Taiwan Politics\ **Created:** [July 21, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899 "2022-07-21T23:21:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Lost.in.space](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/lost.in.space/32/181081_2.png) [@Lost.in.space](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Lost.in.space)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:38am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/448 "2022-08-02T05:38:18Z")
I wouldn’t be so sure. They do a lot of medical research in Taiwan. That is often the cover for general research and could include research into nuclear topics. ---
**Author:** ![Lost.in.space](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/lost.in.space/32/181081_2.png) [@Lost.in.space](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Lost.in.space)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:39am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/449 "2022-08-02T05:39:08Z")
I have. But I also feel I understand the say yes to your face and do the opposite culture. So there is that. ---
**Author:** ![Whatevah](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Whatevah](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Whatevah)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:50am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/450 "2022-08-02T05:50:22Z")
> [@BigDave](#): > > I watched a YouTuber(bald and bankrupt?) in Ukraine right before the invasion. The locals living near the border were like we have been hearing this bs for years. Just threats etc. we won’t be evacuating. > > It is all bs until it isn’t. > > The locals around me are not one bit worried for sure. Except they were amassing troops and equipment and all western intelligence services were saying an invasion is imminent. ---
**Author:** ![Whatevah](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Whatevah](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Whatevah)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/451 "2022-08-02T05:52:19Z")
> [@DrewC](#): > > To be fair, I posted that ‘within 6 years’ article a year ago. So they still have 5 years to make that deadline. I think that’s the window of opportunity for China. We will know if it going to happen or not by then. ---
**Author:** ![snowstorm](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@snowstorm](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/snowstorm)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:05am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/452 "2022-08-02T06:05:08Z")
> [@snowstorm](#): > > I think China will do something more economic rather than military > **[China blacklists over 100 Taiwanese food exporters on eve of Pelosi's...](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4614020)** > > Pelosi rumored to arrive at 10:20 pm Tuesday at Taipei Songshan Airport | 2022-08-02 13:43:00 Looks like China is taking the approach of punishing Taiwan instead of the US, at least at this moment. ---
**Author:** ![anon50641892](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@anon50641892](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon50641892)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:05am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/453 "2022-08-02T06:05:29Z")
> [@Lost.in.space](#): > > Nope. That will be promoting aggression. China would have to defend themselves from that situation. Like America with Cuba. > > Anyway. It’s highly likely Taiwan has the capacity to build nukes of there own. After all in the 60s they developed and tested their own. Just look at Ukraine. West won’t send help b/c fear of Putin’s nukes. ---
**Author:** ![anon50641892](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@anon50641892](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon50641892)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:07am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/454 "2022-08-02T06:07:26Z")
Also should keep an eye on the Chinese selling US treasury. [https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt](https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt) They have been selling in the last 6 month. At this rate, if it continues, they’ll sell all in 5 years. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/455 "2022-08-02T06:30:35Z")
> [@Icon](#): > > Read about what happened to that research. It looks like the US stopped it. Part of an interview of David Ho: > [@](#): > > I was interested in physics early on and by 1974 had gotten a masters at Chung Cheng Institute of Technology in Taiwan. At that time the government of the Republic of China (Taiwan) was interested in building its own nuclear bomb and sent me to Iowa State University where I completed a doctorate in Nuclear Engineering in 1981. > > . . . > > . . . We had four divisions. Mine would develop the bomb itself; a second was to develop a missile capable of carrying it; a third would develop the electronic guidance system and a fourth was to develop rocket fuel. > > . . . > > I returned to Taiwan where we were working on a nuclear bomb. . . . For this position, Chiang Ching-kuo (蔣經國), the president of Taiwan, interviewed me in person. Later he would often visit our project to assess the progress that we were making. > > . . . > > By the 1980s with a nuclear reactor from Canada we had developed enough plutonium to create a nuclear bomb; then using a computer at the University of California at Berkeley we clandestinely tested our systems. The US CIA however was also secretly following our progress. They prevented further development of the Tien Ma Rocket System around 1985. But we still had a plan to detonate the bomb if we were ever attacked and overrun by China. In January 1988, however, when Chiang Ching-kuo’s death was imminent, the US spirited our lead man Colonel Chang Hsien-yi (張憲義) back to the United States and took away the heavy water needed for the reactor. It was cloak and dagger stuff. The reactor is still there, but without heavy water, it became useless. –[Jerome Keating, “Nuclear power and Taiwan,” _Taipei Times_, February 16, 2015](https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/feat/archives/2015/02/16/2003611673) ---
**Author:** ![Lost.in.space](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/lost.in.space/32/181081_2.png) [@Lost.in.space](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Lost.in.space)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:31am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/456 "2022-08-02T06:31:57Z")
🤔 unfortunately it’s more nuanced than that. ---
**Author:** ![Lost.in.space](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/lost.in.space/32/181081_2.png) [@Lost.in.space](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Lost.in.space)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:32am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/457 "2022-08-02T06:32:29Z")
That was the point that they were making. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:37am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/458 "2022-08-02T06:37:05Z")
> [@Lost.in.space](#): > > That was the point that they were making. My intent was to help with the point by quoting a person who helped develop the bomb. All I was really doing was rehashing stuff referenced in a 2017 post: > [@Does Anyone Know Anything About a 1999 "Dahan River Valley" Nuclear Research Reactor Pit Spill?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/does-anyone-know-anything-about-a-1999-dahan-river-valley-nuclear-research-reactor-pit-spill/159985/3): > > Thanks for the information, Tempo Gain! bow The Apple Daily says the author of the article you linked to is Hè Lìwéi (賀立維), and it mentions nuclear engineering and Iowa State University. There’s a Taipei Times interview of two nuclear experts, one of whom is a 賀立維 whose English name is David Ho. Dr. Ho apparently got his doctorate degree in nuclear engineering at Iowa State. In the Taipei Times interview, Dr. Ho says, among other things: Here’s another Taipei Times article featuring D… ---
**Author:** ![VOT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/vot/32/78_2.png) [@VOT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/VOT)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/459 "2022-08-02T06:46:56Z")
> [@OrangeOrganics](#): > > Its also an election year for the DPP, You have such a twisted way of understanding. This election year is for every party and every voter! Pelosi will see many colorful billboards from candidates of Taipei mayor and counsel. She herself is an elected representative, so she will click with it. Pelosi’s visit in this election year is an eye witness for Taiwan’s democracy. [![](https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/skVSPcYyoXhUW4udbAloRA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTcyMA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0TJCwMTtuQ43x7Z.36TdUg--~B/aD03Njg7dz0xMDI0O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/ko/news_ttv_com_tw_433/1a6d73ff837250e48e5af0bd3b796d04) ](https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/skVSPcYyoXhUW4udbAloRA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTcyMA--/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/0TJCwMTtuQ43x7Z.36TdUg--~B/aD03Njg7dz0xMDI0O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/ko/news_ttv_com_tw_433/1a6d73ff837250e48e5af0bd3b796d04) ![image](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/c/e/cee05bd538ec3a16cd0f66e4cb0fa88a78ebfb3f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Rather](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/f08c70/32.png) [@Rather](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Rather)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/460 "2022-08-02T06:53:29Z")
> [@Brianjones](#): > > The US needs to show support for Taiwan. Not showing support for Taiwan could also encourage China to attack. You can show support without doing things to bring an attack closer to reality. Maybe what you really meant to say is the US told Taiwan they wouldn’t support them unless Taiwan started agitating China. Like I said, to be America’s enemy is dangerous, to be their friend can be fatal. Let’s hope it won’t be a Ukraine 2.0 and Taiwan comes to their senses. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 6:56am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/461 "2022-08-02T06:56:06Z")
> [@Rather](#): > > > [@Brianjones](#): > > > > The US needs to show support for Taiwan. Not showing support for Taiwan could also encourage China to attack. > > You can show support without doing things to bring an attack closer to reality. Maybe what you really meant to say is the US told Taiwan they wouldn’t support them unless Taiwan started agitating China. > > Like I said, to be America’s enemy is dangerous, to be their friend can be fatal. Let’s hope it won’t be a Ukraine 2.0 and Taiwan comes to their senses. The US is simply doing something that would be completely normal for any other country. China has no right to Taiwan as it has no right to Singapore. Taiwan controls itself. This is like saying a sexual assault victim shouldn’t seek support because her abusive ex boyfriend/stalker might attack her and that the ex has been planning to force her into marriage and has been planning an attack if she doesn’t agree to it. The point of the right to self determination, is that a population is allowed to control its own destiny just like the way an individual is allowed to control his or her own destiny ---
**Author:** ![Rather](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/f08c70/32.png) [@Rather](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Rather)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:10am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/462 "2022-08-02T07:10:25Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > The US is simply doing something that would be completely normal for any other country. China has no right to Taiwan as it has no right to Singapore. Taiwan controls itself. This is IDEALological. I also IDEALLY agree Taiwan should build nukes and point them all at Shanghai if they want to, but realistically we know the result that would bring. Don’t get me wrong, I think Taiwan should have red lines also and not let China completely walk over them, but banning stinky tofu is a red line. Having Peloci come shouldn’t be… I said people haven’t learned the mistakes of Ukraine, and it clearly shows they have not. ---
**Author:** ![Rather](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/f08c70/32.png) [@Rather](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Rather)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/463 "2022-08-02T07:16:09Z")
> [@Marco](#): > > The point of the right to self determination, is that a population is allowed to control its own destiny just like the way an individual is allowed to control his or her own destiny If a robber has a gun pointer to your temple and wants you to give up you wallet, are you going to refuse and tell them how you “want to control your own destiny” Something things might be worth saying no to, but some things are just stupid. And out of all the things to draw a red line for, it has to be Nanci Pelosi… It would be better if it was Snoop Dog. ---
**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:17am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/464 "2022-08-02T07:17:58Z")
> [@Rather](#): > > > [@Marco](#): > > > > The point of the right to self determination, is that a population is allowed to control its own destiny just like the way an individual is allowed to control his or her own destiny > > If a robber has a gun pointer to your temple and wants you to give up you wallet, are you going to refuse and tell them how you “want to control your own destiny” > > Something things might be worth saying no to, but some things are just stupid. > > And out of all the things to draw a red line for, it has to be Nanci Pelosi… > > It would be better if it was Snoop Dog. China’s not asking for Taiwan’s wallet. China’s asking to FORCIBLY KIDNAP Taiwan! You give up the wallet, you still can live your life independently. Losing your wallet is not life threatening, it’s a setback. Getting kidnapped is. You get kidnapped, you don’t live your life independently. Paul Bernardo kidnapped Kristen French. She still died. When you get kidnapped, you still likely will die! Your choices are go along and die, or attempt to escape and maybe not die. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:18am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/465 "2022-08-02T07:18:04Z")
> [@Rather](#): > > Like I said, to be America’s enemy is dangerous, to be their friend can be fatal. Let’s hope it won’t be a Ukraine 2.0 and Taiwan comes to their senses. What will Taiwan do if it “comes to [its] senses”? ---
**Author:** ![Belgian\_Pie](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/8dc957/32.png) [@Belgian\_Pie](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Belgian_Pie)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:19am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/466 "2022-08-02T07:19:51Z")
> [@afterspivak](#): > > [https://twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1554312053833486336?cxt=HHwWgMDS7f2kg5IrAAAA](https://twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1554312053833486336?cxt=HHwWgMDS7f2kg5IrAAAA) Call Lithuania? ---
**Author:** ![Rather](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/f08c70/32.png) [@Rather](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Rather)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2022, 7:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899/467 "2022-08-02T07:20:11Z")
> [@Charlie\_Jack](#): > > What will Taiwan do if it “comes to [its] senses”? Tell Pelosi to fuck off, then fuck off some more. I have a theory on what’s really going on, and that is America wanting to use Taiwan to agitate China if not outright start a war with them, and to use Taiwan as a threat to hold over China’s head. “Agitate China, or we won’t help” is most likely the “self determinism” America has dictated that Taiwan should have. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899.md?page=21) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/pelosi-visiting-taiwan-in-august-2022/221899.md?page=23)