Pension reform!

Problem is that these guys already tried to climb in the Legislature building. In spite of the barbwire.

I can’t tell whether the quoted Chinese text immediately below (from ETtoday) comes from Lin Chih-chia (林志嘉), Secretary General of the Legislative Yuan, who is mentioned in the article; or from the police, who are also mentioned; or from Lin Chih-chia citing the police as his source; or from some other source:

因立法院司法及法制委員會明天將進行年金改革法案審查,目前傳出抗議人士不打算闖進立法院,而是要圍堵立委,明天不讓立委進來開會。

Anyway, Google Translate makes the quoted text look as if it says that at least some of the protesters’ intention is to prevent the Legal Committee from holding a meeting on pension reform, by preventing the committee’s members from entering the Legislative Yuan.

Insteda of the usual little blue trucks with speakers on them, spoting Meihua, meihua and slogans, from my window I see expensive ad trucks -the one sthey use to promote movies- with KMT candidates pictures on them. Mmmm.

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Thanks for the info.

It’s probably the same KMT rent a crowd that was camped outside the Stolen assets bureau a few months back.

Don’t tell the scavengers (Food Scandals, Safety, Recalls - #53 by nonredneck) about this, or they’ll start getting ideas.


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/photo/2017/04/19/2008146203

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) lawmakers hang vegetables on a barbed-wire barrier outside the Legislative Yuan in Taipei yesterday to demonstrate how sharp the barbs are.
Apr 19, 2017
Photo: CNA

While we’re at it, here are some interesting numbers.

Separately yesterday, Taipei Police Department Commissioner Chiu Feng-kuang (邱豐光) told city councilors during a question-and-answer session that about 2,000 police officers are to be deployed at the protest — 1,500 from the Taipei Police Department and 500 from the NPA.

Obstacles deployed include 1,248 sets of wire knife-rests, 230 rolls of concertina wire, 670 large-sized fences, 680 pedestrian barriers, 14 wire-laying vehicles and four vehicles with mounted floodlights, Chiu said, adding that no other special vehicles or water cannon trucks are to be used.

:confused:

Unfortunately that’s the result of the legislature previously being occupied.
Make no mistake they would occupy it to if they got the chance!
Spray em down with some cold water it’s a hot day outside do em good!

Really nasty crowd out there, I am telling you. Ganado bravo.

Aside from the anti-esthetic effect of the barbwire, that is not the way to solve this. They won’t be effective in deterring a crowd set on getting in.

It is really depressing to come to work and find your office wrapped like that. It is not only the Legislative Yuan, but most other government compounds.

Nation under siege…from the inside.
The interesting thing is almost everywhere else you don’t encounter any of this stuff…so Icon…very unfortunate you are located where you are.

PS I did mention that some of these groups were hanging around near my office near the assets bureau commission. They pitched tents for a month or so. I also got a sense that organized crime figures weren’t far from the surface. I did not want to engage them in conversation nor did I envy the civil servants stuck inside.

The pension issue obviously attracts a wider crowd than the KMT bamboo gang but still I just don’t like them …entitled pricks most of them got WAY too much already.

Most of them are not entitled pricks, it is just that thsi issue is being manipulated by all sides. For example, the DPP and KMT’s proposal are identical except KMT wanted to keep the 18% for those who retired before Minguo 84… which makes them octogenarians. Problem is that now the KMT removed their proposal from the table, do not want to engage in dialogue and avoid responsibility. So basically, you have 3 basic plans on the table but very little dialogue.

The violent ones are not entitled, they are blind believers in their superiority and how the system works for them. those have murder in their eyes and blood on their hands. It goes beyond the 18%.

It has to do more with accountability. For too long, party and state were the same, and nwo teh cosneuqences are that teh coffers of the state are empty, and the ones of the party not here. That is one issue.

me thinsk that if we

The other and mroe opressing issue is that if Taiwan is moideling its pension systme after the Europeans, in one single coverage, there needs to be a better safety net built for all. That means a differenet kind of expenditure and hence the need to relocate those funds that now pay for the 18%, for example. As it was being discussed on the talk shows last night, the older geenratiion has more assets, more capital, more disposable funds than the younger generation… and that inequity
killing us. It means fair wages must be insured as well as effective taxing, among others. So thsi pension reform is actually talking about teh system we want for future Taiwan.

What this makes me mindful of…

I once watched an eighty-year-old inactive Marine slip and fall on a linoleum floor. As we helped him up, he looked at me and said somberly, “old age is for shit.” This guy I respected. But…

It’s reasonable to honor those who fight for the freedom of their country… if it’s freedom they fought for, and we can clearly define just what their country is. “One party, two systems” is less than an abstraction; it’s an obfuscation. If they were fighting for democracy, that’s one thing. If they fought and won, even better. But just what did this 18 percent crowd do to earn special treatment, exactly? What was the KMT all about in those days?

People who fight for the wrong cause are known as violent offenders, and are put in maximum security. You’re not a freedom fighter if you’re not fighting for the cause of freedom.

I’ll give them some credit for fighting against communism, because communism really, really sucks. But only so much credit, because what they fought for instead was… not all that different in practice.

There are riots in California over free speech… the rioters are agin it. They will doubtless call themselves heroes and demand government largesse. Actually, they’re already doing both these things but not in a connected way. Me, I call them overprivileged, brainwashed thugs with a raging Oedipus complex.

The current army helps a lot in times of trouble, as when typhoons strike. they are teh one sdoing the cleaning way after everyone forgets there was even some rain. The first responders on duty 24/7 for months on end in teh aftermath of 921. Those I respect.

But free cable? Two dorms assigned, all utilities paid? Problem is it is not the same for all. Meanwhile, many Civil War veterans linger in crumbling houses built on treacherous hillsides, no family, etc. because they followed the Great Leader.

Teachers get 18% because they were the party’s enforcers. That is why we have the rote system and blind teaching, as there couldn’t be any dissagreement. But the teachers were not teachers per se, they were not trained as such in the Mainland. So memorization it is.

However, msot importantly, that was a long time ago, and things change. Teachers nowadays must be open to new teaching, and teach contents they know with modern methods. But unless we cahnge teh structure as all, we cannot walk from the 14th into the 21st century.

From what I’ve seen, the teachers today use the same methods as the ones of old. Classes of bored students while the teacher drones on . Which explains why people are not willing to ever speak up.

Like the old joke about why everyone in the sane family cuts the ends of the meatloaf, people keep on with the methods imposed because that is how they were taught.

The first educators after the Japanese were not educators but keepers of the Faith. Also, unprepared and ignorant of their own subjects. Hence, rote learning. No questioning authority. To keep such style of teaching, is to keep the system. That is why the tests still rule. It is the only way to let the “right” ones in.

He said he also wanted to thank military personnel, teachers and civil servants, adding that they are the backbone of the nation’s stability and asked that they not be “stigmatized.”

Also, the prison authorities promise to have a chat with him about his parole conditions.

Because the party has yet to be officially established, expressing support for it does not violate the principle of executive neutrality that applies to civil servants such as himself, he said.

Gotta love loopholes! :smile:

The government’s best solution to improve the national economy is to cut down pensions?
God damn, Taiwan is hopeless.

Yeah what you know about it? List the top 5 economy boosting measures by the current government as you see it.

This is the kind of people that would elect Kuo Kuan-ying 郭冠英 as president. remember that guy? He was on the news recently too.
http://tw.forumosa.com/t/ethnic-prejudice-by-wsr-official/50241/21

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2017/05/11/2003670367

http://news.ltn.com.tw/news/focus/breakingnews/1951897

They always find a way to end up on top because they have too many friends at the top. And hereby lies the danger of these entitled people in getting to power…again.

Like that quote in the last episode of GOT about a commoner that tastes power…Like a lion that has tasted man’s meat, nothing ever tastes so sweet.