[quote=“Benjamin K”]It is good for people to do sth to support the basic human rights.
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It’s one of the ways FLG likes to proselytise and promote themselves. Personally, I think people who have no clue about China should not be so quick to sign petitions based on (mis)information coming from a banned cult with an axe to grind.
This is a serious issue regardless of the source. Please stay on topic. The above post is fair but this isn’t the place for another FLG discussion.
[quote=“openjiang”][quote=“Benjamin K”]It is good for people to do sth to support the basic human rights.
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It’s one of the ways FLG likes to proselytise and promote themselves. Personally, I think people who have no clue about China should not be so quick to sign petitions based on (mis)information coming from a banned cult with an axe to grind.[/quote]
Have you read the investigative report? Do you know who are the authors?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgour-Matas_report
[quote]An Independent Investigation Into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China
By David Matas, Esq. and Hon. David Kilgour, Esq.[/quote]
organharvestinvestigation.net/events.htm
The Kilgour-Matas reports simply finds that organs of executed prisoners were removed without the consent of the executed or their relatives. But where is the proof that FLG followers were executed to harvest their organs - because that is what the FLG sect alleges.
hsinhai78: allegations against the falun gong have nothing whatsoever to do with the allegations against the Chinese state. Just because the religion is banned doesn’t mean it’s OK to persecute or abuse the followers.
China remains a third-world country which systematically destroyed its moral and cultural heritage just two generations ago. Suggesting that forced organ harvesting couldn’t possibly happen there - when far worse things still go on - is rather naive. Quite frankly, I’d say this kind of thing (if it’s true) would be fairly low down on the list of things wrong with China, and a petition to the UNHRC is unlikely to be of any interest to the Chinese powers-that-be.
[quote=“finley”]hsinhai78: allegations against the falun gong have nothing whatsoever to do with the allegations against the Chinese state. Just because the religion is banned doesn’t mean it’s OK to persecute or abuse the followers.
China remains a third-world country which systematically destroyed its moral and cultural heritage just two generations ago. Suggesting that forced organ harvesting couldn’t possibly happen there - when far worse things still go on - is rather naive. Quite frankly, I’d say this kind of thing (if it’s true) would be fairly low down on the list of things wrong with China, and a petition to the UNHRC is unlikely to be of any interest to the Chinese powers-that-be.[/quote]
I do not dispute that the Mainland authorities may harvest the organs of executed prisoners / prisoners who died of other causes without the level of consent needed in the West to do this. Among these prisoners there may also be falun gong members. I do not see any conclusive evidence however that falun gong members are systematically killed by Mainland authorities to harvest their organs.
That only means you did not read the report carefully.
[quote]H. Conclusions
Based on our further research, we are reinforced in our original conclusion that the allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be large scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.
We have concluded that the government of China and its agencies in numerous parts of the country, in particular hospitals but also detention centres and ‘people’s courts’, since 1999 have put to death a large but unknown number of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience. Their vital organs, including kidneys, livers, corneas and hearts, were seized involuntarily for sale at high prices, sometimes to foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs in their home countries.
How many of the victims were first convicted of any offence, serious or otherwise, in legitimate courts, we are unable to estimate because such information appears to be unavailable both to Chinese nationals and foreigners. It appears to us that many human beings belonging to a peaceful voluntary organization made illegal eight years ago by President Jiang because he thought it might threaten the dominance of the Communist Party of China have been in effect executed by medical practitioners for their organs.
Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put together, they paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.
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That only means you did not read the report carefully.
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Exactly 
[quote=“shiadoa”]
organharvestinvestigation.net/re … c160145147
Exactly [/quote]
Do you think you are doing sth funny?
[quote=“Benjamin K”][quote=“shiadoa”]
organharvestinvestigation.net/re … c160145147
Exactly [/quote]
Now now, Tolerance,forebearance etc. etc.
We will wait to see the Human Rights results also. Maybe your conclusions are absolutely correct. That is the inherent difference between us, I am willing to change my beliefs , given CREDIBLE evidence ,not simply the potentially alterior motivated musings of my Peers.
This is an issue that needs more attention and investigation, it shows the moral bankruptcy that is widespread in China towards its own citizens.
Money is the real religion, and for medical practitioners to participate in this is really shameful.
China gets far too much leeway in international affairs but everybody throws up their hands, what can you do, we need to make money. The truth is that the locals don’t really care as long as they are making money too.
[quote=“headhonchoII”]This is an issue that needs more attention and investigation, it shows the moral bankruptcy that is widespread in China towards its own citizens.
Money is the real religion, and for medical practitioners to participate in this is really shameful.
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This is not only a question of shameful, it is a serious antihuman crime.
[quote=“headhonchoII”]
China gets far too much leeway in international affairs but everybody throws up their hands, what can you do, we need to make money. The truth is that the locals don’t really care as long as they are making money too.[/quote]
It is really shameful that many governments and people keep silence when this serious antihuman crime happens.
The Petition is till 2013-11-30, have you signed?
WOIPFG Statement at the UN Gathering on Dec. 10, 2013
Since March 9, 2006, the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong (WOIPFG) has collected a large amount of evidence from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Political and Legislative Affairs Committee, and organ transplant centers and hospitals of military, armed police, and local government in 30 provinces, municipalities, and autonomous regions in Mainland China. These pieces of evidence collectively confirm that the CCP has been harvesting organs from live Falun Gong practitioners and experimenting on live human bodies.
Moreover, this evidence reveals the disturbing fact that the CCP’s organ harvesting practices of live Falun Gong practitioners are not individual, isolated, occasional murder-for-money cases. Rather, they are widespread, state-orchestrated, systematic mass-killing and genocide across the whole country, plotted directly from the highest-level Communist leaders, including Jiang Zemin and Zhou Yongkang.
Orchestrated and protected by top government and party officials, members of the judiciary, military, armed police and medical institutions have been involved and implicated in these crimes. The crime sites of organ harvesting from live Falun Gong practitioners are primarily the military- and police-owned hospitals and organ transplant centers.
WOIPFG obtained evidence of the committed crimes of hospitals and transplant centers in at least 23 provinces, cities and autonomous regions including Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Hebei, Henan, Shandong, Liaoning, Jilin, Heilongjiang, Anhui, Hunan, Hubei, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Guangzhou, Guangxi, Fujian, Sichuan, Yunan, Guizhou, Shaanxi, Gansu, and Xinjiang.
This evidence taken together provides a picture that is consistent and compelling. The way the parts all fit together reveals a systematic crime that enables us to understand the nature and extent of CCP’s evil. These crimes are outside the scope of normal human thinking.
In addition, the notorious “Tiananmen Self-immolation Hoax” on Jan. 2001 is another prime example of the CCP’s deceptive nature, with which it has incited hatred against Falun Gong and brainwashed the people inside and outside China. WOIPFG’s investigative reports on the Hoax reveals many aspects of fabrication, including the identities of the so-called “self-immolators.”
The following is a list of related investigative reports by WOIPFG.
Collection of Evidence of Live Organ Harvesting from Falun Gong Practitioners by the Chinese Communist Party
upholdjustice.org/node/241
An Investigative Report on the Source of Human Cadavers Used in the Plastination Industry in China
upholdjustice.org/node/236
WOIPFG Ebook on Organ Harvesting
upholdjustice.org/node/235
Investigative Report: China’s Public Security Bureau’s On-site Psychology Research Center Implicated in Live Organ Harvesting on Falun Gong Practitioners
upholdjustice.org/node/214
A Look Back on the “Tiananmen Square Self-Immolation” Hoax at its Ten Year Anniversary
upholdjustice.org/node/220
World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong
Telephone: 001-347-448-5790
Fax: 001-347-402-1444
Mailing Address: P.O. Box 84, New York, NY 10116, USA
Website: upholdjustice.org/
1.5 Million in 53 Countries Say ‘No’ to Organ Harvesting in China
theepochtimes.com/n3/us-hous … -in-china/
European Parliament Passes Resolution Opposing Forced Organ Harvesting in China