[quote=“cranky laowai”][quote=“Muzha Man”]The Chinese tourists were carefully chosen by their government… Trust me, the CCP doesn’t want its people embrassing it any more than we want to see them embarass themselves.
So I would say it will be a long time.[/quote]
I’d say not so long, in part because, as you noted, the tourists are carefully chosen by Beijing, which has never shown much reluctance to throw a hissy fit about anything and everything where Taiwan is concerned. The CCP turns things on and off at its will (though not always as effectively as it might like). It will certainly find occasion to want to put down Taiwan through the visitors.
And what we see as an embarrassment the CCP might not – quite the contrary. How long before some Chinese tourists get indignant and huffy about some soul-shattering event like seeing an ROC flag? And though I will be little surprised when the KMT and business owners apologize profusely for such atrocities against the sensibilities of the visitors and immediately work to remove the offending object, eventually people in Taiwan with other points of view are going to get involved.[/quote]
You’re assuming that Chinese people actually care about this stuff, as opposed to pretending to care because they’re scared of what will happen if they don’t toe the line. If you look at other dictatorships, the people became much less nationalist once they knew they didn’t need to be.
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[quote]TAIPEI: Outside a popular tourist site in Taipei on a baking-hot morning recently, Gao Mingzhu, 56, a visitor from Beijing, took a break in the shade and posed as his tour group companion took a picture.
A few meters away 10 members of Falun Gong, the spiritual group outlawed as an “evil cult” in China, were greeting the newly arrived Chinese tourists and trying to pass out promotional flyers and newspaper articles.
Gao shook his head disapprovingly. “They’re cheating people,” he said.
But when one of the Falun Gong members, Jou Chi-ying, 68, approached, Gao turned all smiles. Indeed, after some initial uneasiness, the scene quickly became something of a cross-Strait love fest.
“See, we in the Republic of China are so polite to visitors, there’s nothing to be afraid of,” said Jou, using Taiwan’s formal name.[/quote]
The Falun Gong say that reaction to them has been mixed
[quote]“We only criticize the Chinese Communist Party, not the Chinese people,” Chang said. “We know almost every person in China criticizes the CCP almost every day. If more Chinese people know the truth, we think we’ll be able stop the persecution of Falun Gong in China.”
Falun Gong members acknowledge that mainland tourists almost never accept their material, and that some react badly.
“Sometimes they give us a 'thumbs up”’ of approval, said one Falun Gong volunteer who asked not to be named, because she was not authorized to speak for the group. “But sometimes they criticize us. They say 'Exercise is fine, but don’t do this political activity.”[/quote]
If I was going back to China, I don’t think I’d want a Falun Gong leaflet either. But the thumbs up sign makes me wonder if Chinese people really see the FLG as a problem. Certainly if China is like Eastern Europe people secretly hate the government and will think any group it criticizes is in the right. Hell when Communism fell in Eastern Europe lots of complete scumbags became popular, purely because they had been criticized constantly by governments everyone hated. Maybe we should be grateful to the CCP by being so nationalistic, because nationalism sucks and in the long run they are damaging it by association.