Police "aggression" when discussing a parking fine - police won't let me file a complaint

[Dr_Milker]

@marasan

a) Parking ticket for parking a bicycle, for Pete’s sake?! Aren’t there more important traffic problems?

Pretty sure it was his motorcycle.

@mad_masala

so I went up to him, between him and the motorcycle, and asked him to give me time to move the bike.

[marasan]

@Dr_Milker

Pretty sure it was his motorcycle.

Oh, he was saying “bike” the way an American would? That’s cool, mad masala.

[Dr_Milker]

@marasan

Oh, he was saying “bike” the way an American would? That’s cool, mad masala.

Rebel without a clue?

[jo]

Just pay the bill.
The-end

[tempogain]

Finally the police are cracking down on these anarchists.

[sampomixer]

When is the last time you heard a police officer getting convicted for pushing someone? Not going to happen.

[BiggusDickus]

There is a tendency with these kind of threads to have an argument of “The police here do nothing. It’s ridiculous. Oh, they’ve done something. It’s so unfair!”

[tempogain]

Yeah, but when we said we wanted them to do something, we didn’t really mean “push mad masala”.

[SuiGeneris]

Actually, the fine for parking on a sidewalk is between 500 and 6000. I should know because I got a fine a few weeks ago. I got lucky, ended up being 900. I learned my lesson. Even if the locals do it and get away with it, doesn’t mean you are immune to the laws.

Pay the fine and move on.

[Darkesontr]

It’s pushing someone illegal in Taiwan?

OP keeps says the police officer “attacked” him, but does a push with no injuries count as assault, and if not what exactly is the case against the police officer meant to be?

[WolfB]

Lol you are 100% in the wrong here dude…you won’t get hit with a ticket often because everyone here parks their bikes/scooters on the sidewalk…but if you do just suck it up and pay.

The police officer was just doing his job, you look like a huge jerk in this situation lol

[sampomixer]

I don’t think he looks like a jerk at all, someone claiming he attacked him by speaking english, now that’s something a jerk would say.

[junoreactor]

IMO all the external opinions here are spot on, I wouldn’t make a big deal if a policeman just pushed me. Some of them can be dicks, I would be pissed off about it for a week but then just move on, you don’t want to waste energy on that.

[Mithrandir]

I’m surprised how many people want to be jerks to the OP and defend excessive use of force by the police (assuming the story is fairly presented).

Regardless, I think everyone on here (I haven’t read all the replies) has the right action which should be taken: nothing. You’ll not got any joy from pursuing charges, and you’ll only make yourself angrier. It is also possible (or even likely) that you’ll be on the receiving end of more negative consequences from the police.

YYY has the right take…you’ve done as much as you could to them, wasting their time and making him lose face. Call it a victory and end it.

[Whitehall]

Sounds like you were expecting respect and professionalism. From a policeman. Why? Sometimes it happens, and it is a pleasant surprise, never an expectation. Not in Taiwan, Asia or the US. I have had plenty of stupid petty tickets. So has everyone. Grit your teeth silently and pay it. There are plenty of places in the US where your actions would have resulted in you being in the back of a squad car. Maybe other places in the world too?

[afterspivak]

Or simply shot dead.

Act humbly, be contrite, pay the ticket, move on.

Guy

[yyy]

@Darkesontr

It’s pushing someone illegal in Taiwan?

OP keeps says the police officer “attacked” him, but does a push with no injuries count as assault, and if not what exactly is the case against the police officer meant to be?

I would say try pushing someone and see for yourself, but that would be bad advice.

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@sampomixer

When is the last time you heard a police officer getting convicted for pushing someone? Not going to happen.

There are people they would get in trouble for pushing, but those are mostly people they wouldn’t push in the first place, because they wouldn’t expect to get away with it. MM is the kind of person who defies people’s expectations (not necessarily a bad thing), so I think we can say the cop didn’t quite know what he was doing, but he will probably think twice before doing it again, at least to a foreigner.

[tommy525]

@mad_masala

So today I parked my bike in a walk side where it’s not allowed. I went to check on it and a policeman was giving me a fine so I went up to him, between him and the motorcycle, and asked him to give me time to move the bike. He wanted to take a picture of a notification he had stuck on my bike, and I was covering it with my body as I was telling him that I wanted to move the bike. During this, and without me having touched him or anything, the fat policeman pushed me with his two hands on my chest, so I told him he was attacking me and then he said that I was doing it to him! O_o

Anyway he went away without taking a picture of the notification, which I removed, then I went for my keys for moving my bike and I saw that he had come back and had been doing something near my bike. I went to police station A (the closest one), and tried to report the situation. They told me to go to that policeman’s office, so I did. Once there, they put me on the phone with some “foreigners police”, who had discussed with them previously, and he told me that I had parked my bike somewhere where I shouldn’t and that that’s it. I tried to tell him the story about the cunt pushing me but he wasn’t really willing to listen much, so after the phone changing hands like 3 times, he started to tell me to “GO AWAY NOW, you BETTER LEAVE THE OFFICE NOW”. I repeated that I was pushed by a policeman without a real reason for that, and that I really wanted to report the situation, so he said “ok, if you really want to sue him go now to a hospital and get a medical report”. I explained him that I didn’t have injuries but that they could check the cameras, and in the end they told me to go to the Police headquarters nearby. So I went there.

Once there I explained the “foreigners police” lady the situation, and that I didn’t really consider it normal. She agreed with me and told me to go with me to the guy’s police office (?!?!?!?!). We went and basically they discussed in Chinese and then told me that the situation wasn’t clear because of the language gap, and blah blah blah.

I asked to record the chat, and I did so for a good 40 minutes lapse. During the chat, the “foreginers police” told me that (and it’s recorded):

• I say that he attacked me but the policeman felt attacked too because I talked to him in English (!!)
• I cannot file a complaint and/or get a copy of my statement because there’s no case
• There’s no case because there’s no evidence, only my version
• There’s no case because there’s no criminal violation of law
• They won’t check cameras for confirming on my accusations because there’s no case, because there’s only my version
• If I want to sue his fat ass then he can sue me too for obstruction of authority or something
• If I want to sue him I need to talk to a lawyer and he can do it (or something like that)
• if I want to file a complaint about the situation or report it, the way to do it is to call 911, not to go to a police station (which contradicts what I was told at the fat policeman’s police station)
• That I’m wasting everybody’s time and that I could choose between to stay there wasting time or go home
• that I don’t have the right to be attended in English because I live in Taiwan, and in Taiwan English is not an official language (it made me laugh because the government’s plans of making it official…)
• That if a Taiwanese were in my situation in my country, then “what? he would need to speak my country’s language”, which I replied explaining that they have the right for getting an English translator

The whole situation was amazingly frustrating. I also tried to tell the police woman that I was in a similar situation a year ago when I got hit by a scooter driving between the bus I was getting off from and the bus stop. She claimed it was MY fault, and in the end I had to stop her from escaping while waiting for the police. She hit me with a bag shouting that I was “very bad”, that I “didn’t understand Taiwan law”, etc etcetc… I got “help” from a “foreigners police” back then and despite I requested to sue her for the aggression and the problems caused to me in my freaking neighborhood, during the trial the judge said that yes, it was her fault to drive over me… and that was it. Where was the part I stressed out about her trying to escape from the police? where was the part about her hitting me with the hand bag? that wasn’t in the report / case, because they just ignored my requests.

When trying to explain this situation to the “foreigners” police woman, trying to point out how she was siding by the policeman instead of being helping me as she kept claiming, she wouldn’t let me talk more than 10 seconds in a row.

So my questions are:

1. given that I have poor to no evidence about the policeman using “violence” (there are some pictures taken from afar by a mate but you can’t tell if there’s physical contact), can I take any legal action against this asshole?

2. do I have the right to report such confrontation with an agent and get a copy of the statement?

3. if the answer to the previous question is yes, and given that I have the “foreigners” police saying otherwise, can I take any legal action against her? at the beginning of the audio I do ask for permit and I am granted to do so. Only when towards the end they started to discuss among them I was told to turn it off, and told that this wasn’t a place for recording, and I was asked to keep the phone in the backpack too.

4. can they take any action against me for I was between the bike and the agent, preventing him from taking a picture of the notice paper?

5. can they take any retaliation for me having tried to report / sue this guy? should I expect it to happen?

6. should I do something like to go to another police station or to seek for legal advice? is there any gov office that can help with this?

7. other advice?

Thanks,

PS: I was requested to sign a new parking fine at the end of the session because according to him I “spoiled” the original one when I avoided the picture and then took the paper off my bike.

So this won’t happen in the USA because you will consider it wonderful you didn’t get shot for resisting arrest or some other trumped up charge

The fuzz can be thuggish anywhere
Best not to have a run in with them though

My friend got pulled over and shoved on the ground in San Francisco for mouthing off the cop

White friend and
White cop
Had he been black he may have it worse

And he was an older dude the friend not the cop

[Shaun008]

@yyy

I think we can say the cop didn’t quite know what he was doing, but he will probably think twice before doing it again, at least to a foreigner.

I think I the cop was just trying to get the photo of the ticket so he could do his job. In what had become a tense situation.
The ticket had already been issued it was on the bike.
He now has the impression that foreigners act like spoiled children, who think that can do as they please and cry when they get caught. This will also be how it’s spread around the precinct.
Unfortunately the next foreigner that cop deals with will probably have a bad day also.