Wow. the law is pretty tough in NH.
a guy was drinking and slept in his car to wait until he was sober again. his engine was on, in neutral with e-brake on. he passes 2 breathalyzer test, but fails a blood tests.
he loses his appeal to the NH supreme court for his conviction of drunk driving.
story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s … in_custody
A 400 pound man was apparently beaten to death with nightsticks by 2 cops in the Cinncinati area when he was resisting arrest and allegedly attacked the cops.
Now the cops have been put on admin leave and there may be an investigation.
The Other Factors which make this case controversial to some:
Autopsy shows (according to the news i read, no i didnt call up the doctors or read the records) the man had traces of PCP and cocaine
The man was black. the cops were white.
Is this a case where race should be or was a factor?
Or is this simply a case where two cops tried to arrest a man who was high (PCP can make one very aggressive and crazy and unpredictable), resisted arrest, and may have even attacked the cops thus putting them in danger such that race is irrelevant?
Would it make a difference if some black people believe (rightly or wrongly) that even if you don’t resist arrest and just lie down and put your hands behind your back, the cops would still beat you?
I have friends who are cops and know people that were obviously targeted for their race by cops (getting pulled over while driving a nice car but dressing like a “gangster” hey all sorts of kids dress this way!) but i don’t believe in black and white. i think there is a spectrum of situations and not all cops and arrestees behave the same way or for the same reason. Preliminarily this looks like the cops were justified in applying force to a man who was very big and attacked them.
but then again when he is already on the ground and only not putting his hands behind his back (maybe he was afraid to remove his hands from protecting his body), did the cops go too far in using deadly force? (does this mean the cops need to be better trained to handle these situations)
of course not all outcomes are going to be ideal, but i wonder at the statistics.
how does this compare with the cop who shot a 19 year old kid as he was running away (apparently there was no probable cause). this also occurred in Cinci.
[quote=“blueface666”]http://www.amren.com/hatecrim.htm
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yah i remember the other link you posted about the 2 black guys who raped, sodomized and killed those young white kids in the midwest.
there definitely is a bias in american media and with the history of racial crimes against minorities, unfortunately, when blacks attack other people, it generally is underplayed and there isn’t as much criticism and sometimes even misdirected sympathy. i’ve had close encounters myself (phew) so it’s not like i’m championing one side or another.
but we need to be clearer on when crimes are race-based and when they are not and not just knee-jerk throw accusations. and i agree there can and should be hate-crimes against white people (who aren’t of some ‘minority’ like gays)
so when some really big guy is high on PCP and attacking cops, i think cops generally should be able to defend themselves and immobolize the arrestee. they’re the ones risking their lives to make society safer (in general)
Say it ain’t so!!!
And speaking of the police…
Will, Richard
Say it ain’t so!!!
And speaking of the police…
Will, Richard ?Black gang members beat and burned to death this 32-year-old white man in Chicago. Two black police officers had stopped him because of a broken tail light. When they discovered he had no license they towed his car. Mr. Will pleaded with the officers for a ride away from what he knew was a dangerous neighborhood but they refused. Wardell McClain and Michael Armstrong found him and burned him to death. (Michelle Campbell and Phillip O
Oh, I see, it’s the random racist news clippings thread. What a joyous topic.
After devastating testimony from fellow police officers, a white policeman admitted Tuesday to the brutal beating and sexual torture of Haitian immigrant Abner Louima and changed his plea to guilty in his federal trial on civil rights charges. Officer Justin Volpe, 27, admitted sodomizing Louima with a wooden stick in a police station house bathroom in a vicious assault, violating Louima’s civil rights.
[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Oh, I see, it’s the random racist news clippings thread. What a joyous topic.
After devastating testimony from fellow police officers, a white policeman admitted Tuesday to the brutal beating and sexual torture of Haitian immigrant Abner Louima and changed his plea to guilty in his federal trial on civil rights charges. Officer Justin Volpe, 27, admitted sodomizing Louima with a wooden stick in a police station house bathroom in a vicious assault, violating Louima’s civil rights.
CNN.com/US/9905/25/police.torture.02/[/quote]
hmm. i dont intend this to be the random police violence thread. it’s a very specific question about police procedures when confronted with a man resisted arrest and perhaps attacked the cops and was later found to have used PCP and cocaine, and whether or not race should even be an issue.
This is quite different from cops sodomizing a man already in custody in the police station.
Let’s move this to an appropriate thread. I think general economic news at least addresses the issue of “End of American Empire?” in some fashion. This does not.
British historian Michael Grant published a book back in the mid-1970s examining Edward Gibbons “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” in which he compared conditions in Rome with those of present day America. One of the points he stressed was the “barbarization” of Rome and its effects politically, economically and militarily.
And BTW, Mother Theresa, the difference you seem completely unable to grasp is that when a “person of color” is abused, it’s on nationwide TV and endlessly dissected by the press (as your post’s link shows) whereas if the victim is white, it’s only mentioned in the local press. Sorry you think anyone pointing it out is a racist. 
I wonder how long Michael Jackson would have been able to abuse children if his name had been Schwarzenegger.
Southern Man
by Neil Young
Southern man better keep your head
Don’t forget what your good book said
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man
I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks.
Southern man when will you pay them back?
I heard screamin’ and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?
Southern man better keep your head
Don’t forget what your good book said
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man
Lily Belle, your hair is golden brown
I’ve seen your black man comin’ round
Swear by God I’m gonna cut him down!
I heard screamin’ and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long?
MT:
So’s your mother!
[quote=“Kenny McCormick”]The man was black. the cops were white.
Is this a case where race should be or was a factor?[/quote]
The only factor race played in this case (from the report I read) was that the man had an enlarged heart and hypertension. This is a condition that blacks are, unless I’m mistaken, more likely than other races to suffer.
In the account of the matter that I read, the entire scuffle was videotaped by the police camera. Also, the police had called the paramedics, who arrived and then left. After the scuffle, the police wondered where the paramedics had went to and had to call them to return.
I agree that the police may not have acted improperly in this case, based on what I read (the guy weighed 350 pounds, tried to punch one cop and put his arm round the neck of another, and what tigerman said, etc.), but one can’t always trust the media. I’d have to view the video to say for sure.
But blacks and other minorities in the US certainly have plenty of reason to be distrustful of the police, given the history of mistreatment and police brutality. Admittedly, it’s a tough job being a cop; one is always in danger of being stabbed or shot. But that’s no excuse for punching, kicking or beating handcuffed prisoners.
I agree. I’d want to see the video.
I agree with this also. Nobody is forced to be a police officer. Its a very difficult job. You have to deal with lots of idiot people. But if you don’t like it, get a new job. There is no excuse for punching a prisoner who is already subdued.
[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Southern Man
by Neil Young[/quote]
Neil Young sucks.
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
Big wheels keep on turning
Carry me home to see my kin
Singing songs about the Southland
I miss Alabamy once again
And I think its a sin, yes
Well I heard mister Young sing about her
Well, I heard ole Neil put her down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
A Southern man don’t need him around anyhow
Sweet home Alabama
Where the skies are so blue
Sweet Home Alabama
Lord, I’m coming home to you
In Birmingham they love the governor
Now we all did what we could do
Now Watergate does not bother me
Does your conscience bother you?
Tell the truth
Sweet home Alabama
Where the skies are so blue
Sweet Home Alabama
Lord, I’m coming home to you
Here I come Alabama
Now Muscle Shoals has got the Swampers
And they’ve been known to pick a song or two
Lord they get me off so much
They pick me up when I’m feeling blue
Now how about you?
Sweet home Alabama
Where the skies are so blue
Sweet Home Alabama
Lord, I’m coming home to you
Sweet home Alabama
Oh sweet home baby
Where the skies are so blue
And the governor’s true
Sweet Home Alabama
Lordy
Lord, I’m coming home to you
Yea, yea Montgomery’s got the answer
Lynyrd Skynner? Hmmm. What a strange spelling. That’s not a French band, is it Blueface?
Great song Blueface, but about Birmingham’s former governor . . .
“The primary reason I beat him (George Wallace) was because he was considered soft on the race question.” Wallace agreed and decided to drop his support for integration and was quoted as saying: “no other son-of-a-bitch will ever out-nigger me again”.
One of the ways that Wallace improved his racist credentials was to recruit Asa Earl Carter as his main speechwriter in the 1962 election. Carter, the head of a Ku Klux Klan terrorist organisation, was one of the most extreme racists in Alabama. Carter wrote most of Wallace’s speeches during the campaign and this included the slogan: “Segregation now! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever!”
During the campaign to become governor of Alabama in 1962 he told audiences that if the federal government sought to integrate Alabama’s schools, “I shall refuse to abide by any such illegal federal court order even to the point of standing in the schoolhouse door.” Wallace campaign was popular with the white voters and he easily won the election.
In June 1963, Wallace blocked the enrollment of African American students at the University of Alabama. Similar actions in Birmingham, Huntsville and Mobile made him a national figure and one of the country’s leading figures against the civil rights movement. Martin Luther King told one journalist in 1963 that Wallace was “perhaps the most dangerous racist in America today.”
spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAwallaceG.htm
And here’s another Southern Man for you:
In the early 1970s Duke founded the White Youth Alliance, a group affiliated with the neo-Nazi National Socialist White People’s Party in Arlington, Virginia. In 1974, he founded and became the self-appointed Imperial Wizard of the Louisiana-based Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. He established the National Association for the Advancement of White People in 1980 and the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (originally named the National Organization for European American Rights) in January 2000.
In 1989 Duke won a seat representing Metairie, Louisiana, in the Louisiana State Legislature. Five unsuccessful political campaigns followed: a 1990 bid for the U.S. Senate, a 1991 campaign for the governorship of Louisiana, a bid for the Presidency in 1992, another senatorial race in 1996, and a 1998 attempt to win a Congressional seat in Louisiana. In both the 1990 and 1991 races, he attracted a majority of Louisiana’s white voters.
adl.org/learn/ext_us/duke.asp
But, of course most folks aren’t like that.
Yeah, most of us don’t hangout in the Northern California woods smoking dope with lesbian mayors… 
Fred, I’m hoping you were just joking about not knowing Lynyrd Skynyrd. They were a really great band (before they died in a plane crash). . . almost as good as Neil Young. 