Possession versus mental illness

More like an alcoholism recovery program for those who will at least profess a spiritual belief. I guess those who don’t believe it or don’t feel that lying is a great path to health are on their own :woozy_face:

Firstly you feel duty bound by who or what ?
Secondly , how would having faith in general strip away health ?

You go first and we will see how much we agree or disagree. We can try not to play semantics with our answers ha

It’s not strictly Christian anymore , but was started by Christianity. It does however have a strong spiritual element. Which shows that spiritual belief works with many due to its Relatively high success rate as compared to other programs.
Cause and effect.

So you use it and won’t defend or define your use.

You sound like an organized religion bot.

For me, spirituality is the understanding, not a belief mind you, that the individual human being is part of a larger, largely and eternally incomprehensible whole and being OK with that.

Yeah I think that’s pretty good actually.

Did all that without god! :banana:

By me.

You said: “Good health includes mental physical and spiritual.” That’s too close to saying you can’t have good health without spirituality for me. If you had instead said “I believe that spirituality can contribute to good health”, for example, I wouldn’t have felt the need to respond.

How do you know you did that without God ?

Because I’m not a puppet.

One can be a religious or atheist puppet. Communists are puppets.

Its success rate is questionable from what I’ve read, but if it deliberately excludes me I don’t care what it does. It’s useless.

And one can be a religious bot, as I suggest uprhread. I don’t fit in your paradigm. You might think I do, but that’s just your brain projecting its own “truths” in order to feel less afraid of the big scary incomprehensible reality we seem to share.

It’s ok and I don’t hold it against you. It’s also not true. lol :laughing:

Pride is a deadly sin. The wages of sin are death.

Certainly it can. However, an exorcism involves confronting an actual existing spiritual being. Since actual spiritual beings don’t exist, the most an exorcism can do is soothe you or calm you down by playing into your actual delusion.
When I was working as an orderly in a psychiatric hospital, we had a patient who was hospitalised by her family because she thought she was Mary, the mother of Jesus, and kept giving away all her possessions to random strangers on the street,
The hospital was all in for behaviorism, so they kept getting her to say and act as if she wasn’t the mother of Jesus. The nurses were all sympathetic to her, and rehearsed all the things she had to say before the review board to get released. Just before she went in, she confided “of course, I really am the mother of Jesus”, and the nurse said “I know, but don’t tell anybody, okay?”
She got released, and was fine after that, content in her self-knowledge.

Somebody can be helped to behave better through religious practices, including exorcism- but I don’t think she was really Mary, the mother of God.

Name one person who has lived and not died.

Why aren’t your rules enough to satisfy you? Why the need for all to obey?

I knew Mary, the mother of Carl. She was a b8tch.

You’re always welcome to church. BTW your comment sounds like Ayn Rand.

If only jimipresley were still here to see this.

I have no interest in it. Never read her! To me it’s simply that I don’t believe it and won’t lie. I once saw an AA guy turn away a guy who felt the same.