PRC student cannot study in Taiwan

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Taipei - Taiwan on Monday indirectly rejected an offer by China to allow Chinese students to study on the island, a day after Beijing extended an olive branch to Taipei during a forum to improve cross-strait ties. [/quote]
ROC students are free to study in Mainland institutions. I don’t see what dangers would be involved in letting a new wave Chinese students study in Taiwan. Taiwanese students have been studying along side Chinese students in Taiwan for 50 years now with little incident.

[quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]http://news.monstersandcritics.com/asiapacific/news/article_1298181.php/Taiwan_rejects_Chinas_offer_to_allow_Chinese_students_to_study

Taipei - Taiwan on Monday indirectly rejected an offer by China to allow Chinese students to study on the island, a day after Beijing extended an olive branch to Taipei during a forum to improve cross-strait ties. [/quote]
ROC students are free to study in Mainland institutions. I don’t see what dangers would be involved in letting a new wave Chinese students study in Taiwan. Taiwanese students have been studying along side Chinese students in Taiwan for 50 years now with little incident.[/quote]

Why not have them study in America instead? Gathering from what you’ve written before, isn’t Taiwan a wasteland anyway?

And an olive branch isn’t a real olive branch when it requires submission to a fascist regime first.

[quote=“ShrimpCrackers”][quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]http://news.monstersandcritics.com/asiapacific/news/article_1298181.php/Taiwan_rejects_Chinas_offer_to_allow_Chinese_students_to_study

Taipei - Taiwan on Monday indirectly rejected an offer by China to allow Chinese students to study on the island, a day after Beijing extended an olive branch to Taipei during a forum to improve cross-strait ties. [/quote]
ROC students are free to study in Mainland institutions. I don’t see what dangers would be involved in letting a new wave Chinese students study in Taiwan. Taiwanese students have been studying along side Chinese students in Taiwan for 50 years now with little incident.[/quote]

Why not have them study in America instead? Gathering from what you’ve written before, isn’t Taiwan a wasteland anyway?

And an olive branch isn’t a real olive branch when it requires submission to a fascist regime first.[/quote]
Have you ever studied in either USA or ROC? I can’t tell. :laughing:

Since Chinese degrees aren’t recognized in Taiwan, Chinese students don’t meet the minimum qualifications for entry into a Taiwanese university. The DPP stance seems to be that given the cheapness of universities in China, if Chinese diplomas were recognized, many students would go to study in China.

“DPP caucus whip Wang Sing-nan (王幸男) told a press conference that if the nation recognized Chinese diplomas, many of the 163 universities in Taiwan may be forced to shut down.” - Taipei Times

I think that the protectionism is a little bit overzealous in this area. It’s only a small sector, government jobs, that does not accept Chinese degrees. Therefore, Taiwanese students are free to study in China. With a Chinese degree, a person may work at any company that accepts their degree. It’s up to the company and not up to the government, so most Taiwanese people can already study at Chinese universities for most purposes.

Accepting Chinese qualifications together with university entry test results for university entry seems fair. However, this would exclude the vast majority of students from the PRC since most can’t read and write Traditional Chinese. On a related issue, I personally believe that “distance learning” degrees have their merits, and should be accepted as legitimate degrees in at least some instances. Currently, not even a distance degree from a Taiwanese university can be accepted, which definitely is putting pressure on Taiwanese universities since distance education is a big business.

[quote=“ac_dropout”][quote]http://news.monstersandcritics.com/asiapacific/news/article_1298181.php/Taiwan_rejects_Chinas_offer_to_allow_Chinese_students_to_study

Taipei - Taiwan on Monday indirectly rejected an offer by China to allow Chinese students to study on the island, a day after Beijing extended an olive branch to Taipei during a forum to improve cross-strait ties. [/quote]
ROC students are free to study in Mainland institutions. I don’t see what dangers would be involved in letting a new wave Chinese students study in Taiwan. Taiwanese students have been studying along side Chinese students in Taiwan for 50 years now with little incident.[/quote]

Those Mainland China students are most likely a bunch of Commie spies and propagandists as well as Fifth Column members waiting for a call to arms by their goose stepping leaders in Red China. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: We don’t want 'em here! Incidents? Are you talking about fights or are you talking about how most of the Taiwanese students studying in China are watched and they all know to be careful what they say about Taiwan and democracy and Lee Teng Hui and the DPP.

The ROC accepts students from Singapore on a regular basis and they use simplified characters as well, I don’t see it as a problem. As long as the student can pass the ROC univ. entrance exam I don’t see why coming from the PRC is a problem. In fact, even though they would get bonus points for not being ROC educated as all overseas students get, but they still need to submit proper ROC history answers.

How effective can they be as students? Unless you don’t think ROC student can beat PRC students at propaganda on their home turf. Seems like TI supporters don’t even have confidence in the students from their own education system.

Why would be so hard to believe that Taiwan could win over a few PRC student sympathies as it has won over the sympathy of foriegner that study in Taiwan?

As closely as the PRC tourist that come to Taiwan with curfews and all… :laughing:

Here is one argument: there are one billion Chinese across the the straight, it is still even today not an easy task to get into university here in Taiwan. If Taiwanese students had to compete with PRC students for admittance into a Taiwan University freshman class then that would make it even harder. We need to take care of our students here in Taiwan before we educate foreigners from China.

Hobart, not sure whether you have heard of the word, “quota”.

Nevertheless all legitimate countries have always encouraged foreign students to be admitted as they promote education excellence per se. Taiwan was never an exception in the past. It’s only now that the current narrow minded DPP government is denying the reality. The reason blaming on imaginative commies is not only asinine, it is demonstrative of a disconnect with reality that should be a cause of grave concern.

Beebee: Your use of the word “legitimate” countries, your criticism of the DPP government and saying that Communism in China only exists in my imagination leads me to believe you are indeed a PRC citizen yourself.

So, may I ask why do you even care if Chinese students are allowed to study in Taiwan? Are your Universities not good enough? Dare you say that Mother China’s Universities are not as good as those Splittists in Taiwan? Maybe you even want to go to school at a University founded by the Japanese? Oh the horror?!!! Why would you want to be polluted by Democracy and go to school with supporters of the DPP?

Oh yeah? You are speaking of English speaking countries, back home I don’t recall them trying very hard to get exchange students, and we actually tried to keep foreigners out of studies such as medicine, as we could use every single doctor ourselves.

Sure, they really tried to push say engineering PHD’s onto foreigners, as they were short on local takers. However they usually ended up with poorly educated third world MSc’s such as the ones from China. 10 years ago, Qinghua was not that much better at teaching applied engineering than say the average technical school in Scandinavia, so the professors complained a lot - oh wait my uncle teaches at our engineering university, and he claims that the Chinese excel at one discipline only - plagiarism, over Xmas he told me how many he had to get rid off due to that.

So the Taiwanese are a bunch of unrealistic dreamers, because they don’t want third raters in their universities? Interesting to me.

Let’s see - if Taiwan did what the UK is doing and charge say Chinese students double of cost, they might have an earner there, and may even be able to upgrade their education of the locals. They could then give them special diplomas not valid in Taiwan with the issue of those depending on their ability to pay, a bit like what lower rated UK/US universities do to their overseas self-financed students.

The ROC accepts students from Singapore on a regular basis and they use simplified characters as well, I don’t see it as a problem. As long as the student can pass the ROC univ. entrance exam I don’t see why coming from the PRC is a problem. In fact, even though they would get bonus points for not being ROC educated as all overseas students get, but they still need to submit proper ROC history answers.[/quote]

Coming from the PRC is a problem because their educational credentials aren’t valid in Taiwan. Furthermore, the Singaporeans are admitted as foreign students, and so are accepted only to programs that take foreign students. Would PRC students be foreign students?

twocs,

I believe the classification is “Oversea Chinese” for those students. What you label PRC students is not an issue. As long as they have the same opportunity as all the other Oversea Chinese students that enter the ROC univ. system.

As other have pointed out ROC univ. can only benefit from admitting a diverse student body.

I really don’t see the downside to this. Many of the PRC undergraduates in the US universities come from well to do families, its not like they would be a financial burden to the ROC system.

Laughable. You obviously know nothing about Qinghua students. There is a little less emphasis on hands-on training than at large resourceful Western universities, but given the caliber of the students, at the end of the day all of them will be running circles around your Scandinavian asses and whooping them.

Laughable. You obviously know nothing about Qinghua students. There is a little less emphasis on hands-on training than at large resourceful Western universities, but given the caliber of the students, at the end of the day all of them will be running circles around your Scandinavian asses and whooping them.[/quote]

I think you mean opinion, but do you have any articles or stuff to back up your statements about the Qinghua students?

[quote=“ac_dropout”]twocs,

I believe the classification is “Oversea Chinese” for those students. What you label PRC students is not an issue. As long as they have the same opportunity as all the other Oversea Chinese students that enter the ROC univ. system.

As other have pointed out ROC univ. can only benefit from admitting a diverse student body.

I really don’t see the downside to this. Many of the PRC undergraduates in the US universities come from well to do families, its not like they would be a financial burden to the ROC system.[/quote]

In that case, PRC students cannot study in Taiwan as “Oversea Chinese” under the current constitution. They live in the terrritorial ROC, so they are not oversea at all, and therefore they can not have the same opportunity as other Oversea Chinese. For that same reason I assume, residents of neither Hong Kong nor Macau have been considered Oversea Chinese since 1995.

Uhm yeah…I see…a constitutional reform…uhm yeah…okay.

I think you miss the point, I’m just stating there is really no need to politicize the event into anything. It is a simple matter of the bureaucracy creating a category for PRC students in ROC.

Does everything involving the PRC require a constitutional reform according to the TI camp?
No wonder people are starting to question the sanity of TI supporters and their leaders. :loco:

Laughable. You obviously know nothing about Qinghua students. There is a little less emphasis on hands-on training than at large resourceful Western universities, but given the caliber of the students, at the end of the day all of them will be running circles around your Scandinavian asses and whooping them.[/quote]

Apart from a family member trying to teach them, that is. He found them not too strong in the applied department, and they would take turns on essays and assignments, IE one guy wrote, the other guys changed commas and submitted.

Academic excellence indeed.

Note that the education institution is rated near top ten in Europe, and is rated way above any in greater China, so I don’t think the Danish students will have their arses whipped by the Qinghua guys for a very long time.

(Chinese research talent sells on price, mainly)

If you want good Chinese researchers, try people educated mainly in the US, and most likely still residing there.

Well said Mr He. Point taken on plagrism too. In UQ, Brisbane, 94% of the class below me were failed due to plagarism, they had it on their academic records and had to go through the subject again. They were all from Taiwan and Singapore.

It seems to me that perhaps universities taking in foreign students should indeed offer a degree in plagarism, as those skills are in high demand in China.

I’m waiting for your answer AC to this very salient question. More to the point, why have them study anywhere except the motherland? The cradle of 5,000 years of history isn’t good enough? Why on earth would any self-respecting “ai-gwo” person want to go elsewhere?

For me, it could simply be that Taiwanese don’t want your kind of low class gobbing masses anywhere near a place of higher learning. I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be in a class with some Chicom flunky brainwashed mainlander. Unless of course he was only there to clean the toilets (except that he would probably try to hoard night soil to take back to the motherland to help realize the current goals of the Five-Year Plan).

Sorry, but if it was an extremely cute and “serviceable” student, I would think 2 times, although probably I would still reject. Brains and beauty normally don’t go around together.

And, why there is the need of students to come to Taiwan, who never had a Great Leap Forward (only a Great Leap Backward). How can the uneducated teachers in Taiwan teach students from the mainland, when their patriotism is not above question, their socialist ideas are questionable, and, more than anything, they can access information without any problem? Don’t see any advantage in here, sorry. Or maybe it is because of their lack of capacity to go study in better Universities around the world?

And about the status, they should be considered as foreigners, as they are citizens of the People’s Republic of China. At maximum, they can have a special status because they don’t require assistance while speaking.