President Gingrich

Get ready people, this may be the reality this time next year. The fat, self-righteous, lacking in self-reflection, horndogger is looking more teflon by the day and poised to take the GOP nod. I feel his political savvy poses a real threat to Obama in both the debates and policy discussions. In many ways, this painfully flawed oaf of a man is a more accurate representation of the populace than any president the US has had since Ford.

The guy is good at the game of politics and he is the only Republican with a shot at winning versus Obama.

Trimming away the obligatory drivel, you have made a couple of keen observations.

Note the attack dogs out after Newt and you can tell he has the Obots worried.

We shall see if he remains in the game…or a new arrival comes on scene.

NEWT / WEST 2012…whata development…:smiley:

Since when do all the RWHs around here have battered dog syndrome? (I use the term 'RWH’ affectionately, and to show my respect to the mods I have removed the most vile letter in the acronym). C’mon jd and TC I expect more from you two than being defensive, this thread is pretty much inline with what you like… :slight_smile: Everything I said about Gingrich is true, warts as well as dimples, and I didn’t go into detail about Obama, because this thread is titled ‘President Gingrich’.

By ‘West’ TC I assume you mean Cornel West? :roflmao:

Did you hear Bob Dole cussing out Newt today, TC? :laughing:

“He was always by himself. He didn’t want to be one of the pack.”

You know…a leader. :unamused:

Sit down, Bob.

The fun thing about Newt is that he’s holding back. You KNOW he’s holding back.

Makes me watch. :popcorn:

Newt Gingrich has no chance of beating Obama in November. Neither does Mitt. This Republican primary is looking more and more like the liberal snafu back in 88’.

Ignoring the fact that Newt Gingrich is not a morally and ethically sound man and ignoring the fact that Newt Gingrich is not not a Washington insider, as he portrays himself to be, You are still left with as wildly unlikable weirdo of a potential nominee that is up against a young family man who, amongst other accomplishments, ended the war in Iraq and single handily killed Osama Bin Laden. I really like the second one a lot.

It should also be noted that most consider the accusation of arrogance to be a concession to one’s intellectual dominance.

With that said,

Newt Gingrich will not only not be president, but this current bump he is enjoying at the moment will soon stifle, similar to all the others not named Mitt.

T

Gingrich has been here before, remember the Clinton era? He sank like a stone because he is just not likable enough.

Romney? I think he hasnt got much hope either, too rich for these times and rich in the wrong way. 15% tax? That a big FU to the working man.

Then you have Rick Santorum, too conservative to get elected. He does remind me of a better version of Bush though and Bush got elected twice. Dark horse but unlikely to win enough backing.

Finally Ron Paul, would garner more votes than expected but would not beat Obama.

With the economy on an upswing and wars winding down Obama looks good for reelection barring a new crisis where he puts a foot wrong. He’s shown himself to be a canny operator strategically and he has a formidable secretary of state to rely on. He wont drop votes to a Romney or Gingrich, he would drop votes to Ron Paul but gain new votes from people who see Ron Paul as to out there. Rick Santorum could be his only real threat.

I agree with this to an extent, but lets just say Newt continues to deflect character attacks like he so deftly did with John King at the debate last week, lets just say Newt hammers home the right wing talking points like no one has since Bush 1 (and even he wasn’t that right wing), lets just say the right rallies around Newt and the continual character assassinations from the left begin to be portrayed as sour grapes and are spun positively.

My point is there is a path for Newt to the presidency, it will take a public souring on talk of his scandal, but with the media already in the gutter the time is ripe for people to stop caring so much about this. Once Newt starts truly kissing Christian ass we will see how much sway he has.

I think he is the ONLY RW*H that can win this. And I think there is a blueprint.

You sound like your looking for some therapy for your paranoia there DD. Allow me to help :discodance:

I suppose anything is possible, some recycled politicos are well known: Jefferson, Jackson, Cleveland, Henry Harrison or Nixon; others failed repeatedly to reach and/or recoup their presidential aspirations: Dewey, Stevenson, Jennings Bryan, Van Buren, Pinckney.

None of them were ever reprimanded by congress for ethics violations. :whistle:

There isn’t a guy in the Repub field that I believe can eclipse the 45 - 47% mark in November.

I think this is a good thing. 4 year party flip flops are indicative of an unstable nation which ravages confidence in an economy. I don’t believe America wants this.

the last period of 4 year ‘one and done’ was Carter; and before anyone starts grandstanding on the accomplished of ‘Saint Ronald’, I remind those with selective memories that people in America were poor as shit in the 1980s.It really took up until the mid 1990s for the economy to bear fruit for the low feeders.

Obama isn’t Carter, and Gingrich isn’t Reagan.

T

I thought it was George Bush senior. He was a single term president who presided over a similar economic mess and wars as his son. His son of course beats all comers as the worst American President ever. That’s why his brother cannot run. The specter those guys left on the American psyche ain’t gonna wash away in 4 years. Very many right wing Americans think Bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. That’s Ron Paul’s constituency.

DD -

Newt / West 2012…refers to a Newt & Col. Allen West…his wickiwacki page -> Allen West.

Would make for an interesting ticket.

I also think a Cain / West 2012 would be a good one.

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]DD -

Newt / West 2012…refers to a Newt & Col. Allen West…his wickiwacki page -> Allen West.

Would make for an interesting ticket.

I also think a Cain / West 2012 would be a good one.[/quote]

interesting, yes, but only because they would get crushed. West would be a good choice if you want to give every female voter to Obama. And Cain, c’mon TC even a blatant right wing homer like yourself (said with love, please do not temp) knows that Cain’s candidacy was only to raise his profile (read:fee) as a public speaker, and stump for a show on Fox News. Quoting Pokemon is proof enough of this.

I thought it was George Bush senior. He was a single term president who presided over a similar economic mess and wars as his son. His son of course beats all comers as the worst American President ever. That’s why his brother cannot run. The specter those guys left on the American psyche ain’t gonna wash away in 4 years. Very many right wing Americans think Bush was responsible for the 911 attacks. That’s Ron Paul’s constituency.[/quote]

Sorry Fox, I was referring to a party/president flip flop ‘one and done’, not just a 4 year president alone. For example a Republican being beaten by a Democrat, only to return back 4 years later to a Republican.

prior to Carter, the next most recent 4 year ‘one and done’ party/president was Garfield/Arthur(R) 1880 to [b]Cleveland/b 1884 to [b]Ben Harrison/b 1888 back to [b]Cleveland/b 1892 to McKinley(R) 1896. In fact, of the 44 presidents, there have only been 8 instances of 4 year party/president flip flops.

The first was Washinton(I) 1792 to [b]Adams/b 1796 to Jefferson(D-R) 1800

The next three were in a row and lead-up to the Civil War: Van Buren(D) 1836 to [b]WH Harrison/b 1840 to [b]Polk/b 1844 to [b]Taylor/b 1848 to Pierce (D) 1852 (of course two of these elections were following the death of the incumbent with WH Harrison and Taylor both dying in office)

By the time Buchanan(D) took office in 1856 the country was ripe for war.

of the 44 presidents, only 16 have been elected to two terms. (5 died in office before being able to run again with only 2 of their vice presidential successors later winning a term of their own. John Tyler, Millard Fillmore and Chester Arthur served, but never were president elect.)

8/44 = 18% chance Republicans unseat Obama.

16/44 = 36% chance Obama wins a second term.

I know that statistics are relative to the circumstance, but compared to each other, Obama has a 2x higher probability of winning than does the eventual Republican candidate.

Any way you chop it, Newt or Mitt or whoever has a tough road to unseat the incumbent.

T

[quote]I know that statistics are relative to the circumstance, but compared to each other, Obama has a 2x higher probability of winning than does the eventual Republican candidate.

Any way you chop it, Newt or Mitt or whoever has a tough road to unseat the incumbent. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone can beat Obama because people simply don’t have such short memories. Who in their right mind would put that bunch of lunatics back behind the wheel?

People get that Obama is something of a snow job but they also understand that plain crazy ain’t gonna pay the bills here. At the very minimum with Obama there is a sense of steady as she goes. The Republicans cannot over come the mayhem of the Bush years. America still hasn’t overcome it. I doubt there is a drum beat for bring back the madness. That is stuck in their craw.

[quote=“Fox”][quote]I know that statistics are relative to the circumstance, but compared to each other, Obama has a 2x higher probability of winning than does the eventual Republican candidate.

Any way you chop it, Newt or Mitt or whoever has a tough road to unseat the incumbent. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone can beat Obama because people simply don’t have such short memories. Who in their right mind would put that bunch of lunatics back behind the wheel?

People get that Obama is something of a snow job but they also understand that plain crazy ain’t gonna pay the bills here. At the very minimum with Obama there is a sense of steady as she goes. The Republicans cannot over come the mayhem of the Bush years. America still hasn’t overcome it. I doubt there is a drum beat for bring back the madness. That is stuck in their craw.[/quote]

Pretty much.

I still would be shocked if Newt were to get the nomination. Right now there is a little thing called money that will probably be the end of him when Super Tuesday hits just 5 weeks from now. He just doesn’t have the cash for that push to the top. Clinton and Obama each had something like $25M at this point in their campaigns 4 years ago. Newt might have (at most) $10M. Romney essentially has limitless resources. And, If Newt loses Florida this week it’s all over anyhow.

But as you stated Fox, America is not ripe for a return to the Republican machine. They’ll win again someday, just not in 2012. Could anyone honestly imagine a President Gingrich? The guy is a Fox News pundit (no relation) for crying out loud! He makes money selling outrage and drama; two virtues not becoming to the Commander in Chief.

T

Did someone say “Rage Against the Machine?”

‘Rage against the machine, vote for Newt, annoy a liberal’ [VIDEO]

In this article, neo-conservative Elliott Abrams correctly points out that perhaps Gingrich is using Reagan’s name a little too much, which is interesting because he used to criticize Reagan quite a bit! :laughing: :laughing: Gingrich seems to always be criticizing–even those within his own party. Perhaps that is why he has such low Congressional support amongst House Republicans who remember his behavior in the 80s and 90s.

Gingrich’s criticism against Reagan and Bush Jr. reminds me of an old Sam Rayburn quote: Any jackass can kick down a barn, but it takes a carpenter to build one."

I don’t think Gingrich is a carpenter.

nationalreview.com/articles/ … ott-abrams

I’m also thoroughly entertained when Gingrich calls Romney a “Rockefeller Republican.” Let’s look into Gingrich’s past:

campaign2012.washingtonexaminer. … republican