President lee welcomed in new york city

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President Lee came to New York Sofitel… If anyone saw the news for the 15th, you could see us on ETTV and CTTV. President Lee came in at about 10:30 pm at Sofitel NYC. He is here in the states to promote Taiwan Independence.[/quote]

Anyone know what he was talking about?

It’s about time. :notworthy:

TI supporters love talking about a war they have no intention of fighting.

We love talking about the war that your side threatens to instigate unless we give up our liberty and freedom.

And unlike you, we care if anyone dies.

You forgot to mention democracy, dignity, and human rights.

Come on these talking points are clearly stated in the CSB handbook.

What passes for a TI supporters these days. :unamused:

You forgot to mention democracy, dignity, and human rights.

Come on these talking points are clearly stated in the CSB handbook.

What passes for a TI supporters these days. :unamused:[/quote]

Please, this is far less than what the CCP is devoid of, I could type for hours.

Anyway, add to the list as you wish, but it still doesn’t change the fact that we are being threatened with war by an external party.

Those foriegn parties being the USA and Japan influencing the DPP and TSU respectively.

Okay you’ve lost it. :loco:

Everyone knows I’m referring to China.
You’ve excluded China which has actually run military exercises pointed at Taiwan, threatens to kidnap our leaders, has the worlds most land disputes, has had battles with almost all of its neighbors, and has almost doubled its land size in the last 50 years in the Nazi-esque cause of regaining all lands with historical or cultural ties.

How can that be possible? Compare the ROC to PRC map. China has shrunk in the last 50 years.

You really need to brush up on your Chinese history.

Yeah, China wants to take over Korea.

[quote=“ac_dropout”]How can that be possible? Compare the ROC to PRC map. China has shrunk in the last 50 years.

You really need to brush up on your Chinese history.[/quote]

Hrm, sorry I was comparing the territories labeled Inner Mongolia and Tibet, not actually referring to old ROC maps.

The ROC map is still being published on Taiwan, so it is not old at all.

If you compare to an old map of China, like Yuan dynasty map, you will see China has shrunk in the last 700 years.

You would have to go back to at least to the Southern Sung dynasty to claim that China has been expanding.

Selective memory issues TI supporters have. Much to learn Young Shrimpcrack you have.

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You really need to brush up on your Chinese history.[/quote]

You should heed your own advice. The Mongol Invasion of China was a matter of the Chinese invading themselves? :unamused: Smacks of historical revisionism. Completely historically inaccurate. :noway:

BTW, maps are largley irrelevant to everybody except the geographers when it come to discussing state control. Just because a line on the map states that a country’s supposed borders include several territories, does not mean that the country has control of said territories. Also, a state can have control and influence over territories that fall outside it’s natural borders. To make the statement that historical borders gained thru conquest equal the essence of a a nation-state is a very colonial approach, one that both that the Nazis and the Communists used. The PRC’s list in the late 20th Century includes a long list of expansion of control or influence both within and without China.

Mongols like the Manchurians were eventually intergrated into Chinese society by the end of their respective dynasty. They are on the list of 56 ethnic groups that make up the Chinese.

These were of course reactions to foriegn forces liberating various Chinese territories prior to PRC inception on the mainland.

By your logic, Italy still “owns” Britain. It is hopeless arguing with someone like you.

Pre-modern empires do not = modern nation-states.

Don’t be silly.

The right of self-determination is the primary factor of international law regarding nation-states and has been since the aftermath of WWI. Join the 20th century and shut up about 700 years ago during the medieval era of the Yuan dynasty. Doctors were still using leeches then. The Mongols are not relevant to 21st century conditions, anymore than the Carthriginians are.

AC will now try to justify the unjust rule of the Chinese and their subsequent attempts to sinify our cosmopolitan city-state of Hong Kong.

It is called Heung Gong, not XiangGang! :fume:

You are confusing the present with the past. Of course, the Manchurians are part of the ethnic makeup of China today. But to consider a map of the Mongol Empire an example of Chinese territory is sheer fallacy. My that standard, much of England, Ireland, France and the Eastern shores of NE North America should today be considered part of the long-lost Scandinavian empire, which has rapidly shrunk over the years.

It doesn’t matter what the PRC was “reacting” to. That is all just political justification, not realpolitik. Wars or military actions: verus India, Tibet, Vietnam, Korea, Mischief Reef, Inner and Outer Mongolia, XinJiang, Taiwan Strait, Tiananmen, Falun Gong, and all other “counter-revolutionary” elements, etc.

China needs to end up like the USSR if we are to have a better world

mod lang,

Chinese medicine has been recognized by modern medicine as possible treatments in certain instances.

But on the point of self-determination. This term was coined to allow colonies that existed before WWII political freedom during the decolonization period of European history. So in absolute terms if the people in Southern Taiwan wish to succeed from the ROC, they will be prevented by the people who believe that Southern Taiwan is intergral to ROC.

But part key to this problem. Rome and the Scandinavian culture and society are long lost, morphed by modernization and collapse of empires. China on the other hand has been a continuous culture since the Big Bang, if you buy the propoganda.

So you are saying the Chinese Nationalist are not justified in correcting the original sin brought on by the foriegners?

Nationalism is the root of all evil. Chinese nationalism is no better than German nationalism