Proof the Chinese cheated

You’re off-topic. We’re discussing the cheating, lying shitebag cunts in China here and their arrogant mockery of the Olympic rules, the dirty fuckwads.

We don’t like the rules, therefore we’ll simply cheat. Interesting take. As to why shorten their careers, look at the history. That’s why. It fucks them up. Not that that matters to China, of course – what’s a few destroyed children compared to the glory of the motherland, after all?[/quote]

Why go against 5000yrs of exploitation?

If this is true then isn’t there something wrong with rules barring 14 years old from completing. Seems kind of odd to prevent people at their prime to compete on the world stage.
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Uh, yes, but if you think there’s something wrong with the rules then you work to change the rules. You don’t just get to decide they don’t apply to you - that’s the definition of cheating.

Gee, I don’t know. Their valid, government issued passports say they’re 16. That’s a hell lot more authoritative than some random internet pages.

We could check her teeth … that’s how they they do it with horses and dogs …

that’s the point, ABC: the Chinese government is cheating here, just like it does in so many other places.

sport.gov.cn is not a random internet page.

What do you think of the blind grandmother being shipped off for to the work camp by the government for complaining that developers took her house by the way? Doesn’t that seem a tad ruthless to you?

Bottom line is if all her documents say she’s 16, than I guess she really is 16. Or how do you go about disproving that? You know the burden of proof is on the accuser here.

You cite the numerous items in the Chinese press reporting her results in competitions for under-14s last year. :laughing:
The commie skidmarks have been caught with their pants down – yet again – showing just what a bunch of low-life scumsucking bastards they are, and the best they can do is censor the Internet and produce a fake passport.
The glory of the motherland.

[quote=“sandman”]You cite the numerous items in the Chinese press reporting her results in competitions for under-14s last year. :laughing:
The commie skidmarks have been caught with their pants down – yet again – showing just what a bunch of low-life scumsucking bastards they are, and the best they can do is censor the Internet and produce a fake passport.
The glory of the motherland.[/quote]
The Chinese government can simply say that local officials erred in entering her age, or that she lied about her age in order to enter a local tournament. Whatever the case, press reports are just not as strong as a tangible, valid, piece of ID. And if you’re going to go all conspiracy theorist, we might as well doubt the validity of every other country’s passports. Who says other countries would be above making fake passports.

What about carbon dating? Heard that it’s accurate to about 10 thousand years.

What complete and utter rot! In this case, the press reports are FAR, FAR stronger than the fake passport produced in defense of the cheating fucks.

Clearly ABC’s never seen all the photoshop mess-ups by XinHua - ya know he ones where they accidentally gave Hu’s wife an extra pair of legs?

I see 2 distinct arguments here, unrelated.

  1. The IOC gymnastics has a age-rule. People under 16 cannot compete.

  2. The ICO ought to allow under 16 to compete on the basis those kids are already full-time athletes, their physical prime for gymnastics is x, etc.

These are 2 completely different topics. One does not justify (or condemn) the other.

Since we like to go off on tangents, here’s no. 3:

  1. China has come a long way to bringing its athletic glory to where it is now (50 golds or something so far?). But, like many other countries and to different degrees, children are exploited and dumped when their use is at an end.

Take the US for example. Many of those kids still go through school (real universities) that have a collegiate program such as swimming. Many of these athletes will enter the work force much like the rest of us (and perhaps even better if they are famous athletes).

China, however (and I know this firsthand from several competitors including a former gold medalist), pushes these kids at an early age, albeit the people I speak of, got to finish high school (and it appears that is not always the case??). After highschool, they train fulltime, and are eventually “given” a college degree. Which means they don’t obtain the knowledge and skills of a college degree. Once they can no longer compete (due to age, etc.), they are discarded with little or no life skills (at the highest national or provincial levels however, they do get a pension). Needless to say, many of them also grow up without their family structure. Many of the guys can still teach in their sports, but the women are discouraged from doing so in many cases (as they are seen as “mothers” and “lack” the commitment).

There has been some attention to this issue especially because of the BJ olympics, and apparently the CCP is going to do something about it.

Of course, at the top end of the scale, athletes from any country will get rich with endorsements: Phelps, Park, Yao Ming, the Chinese hurdler, etc.

And for an anecdote of how “darwinist” the sport program is in China (at least in swimming), I am told the top competitors (even at an early age) get better food (that can even mean better food than most Chinese get). Of course, they also are fed supplements which may or may not mean doping or chemicals which might harm a child’s developmental stage.

Mind you, I don’t know about the other sports programs other than one read about the East German swimmers in the 80s.

danwei.org/sports/how_young_ … asts_r.php

[quote]Looks like someone in the Chinese media has a sense of humor.

Yesterday’s Mirror ran a two-page feature on China’s gymnastics teams, profiling the team members and applauding them for their fine performance at this year’s Olympics. The articles were illustrated with composite images depicting the teams as a “boys class” and a “girls class” (shown here) to illustrate their “graduation” into the ranks of world-class athletes.

There’s been ongoing speculation that a few of the gymnasts, particularly He Kexin, are actually younger than the cutoff age of 16.

In light of the controversy, it’s hard not to see the illustration as the Mirror thumbing its nose at the western media: the red scarves that the gymnasts are wearing identify them as members of the Young Pioneers, a Communist Youth League organization for young people aged 6 to 14.[/quote]

funny, perhaps not in the way that he meant:

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00286.html

don’t they have birth certificates?

apparently, this has happened before for reasons explained; also, the article explains why the minimum age was raised from 14.

[quote]Age falsification has been a problem in gymnastics since the 1980s after the minimum age was raised from 14 to 15 to protect young athletes from serious injuries. The minimum age was raised to its current 16 in 1997. Younger gymnasts are considered to have an advantage because they are more flexible, and are likely to have an easier time doing the tough skills the sport requires. They also aren’t as likely to have a history of injuries or fear of failure.

North Korea was barred from the 1993 world championships after FIG officials discovered Kim Gwang Suk, the gold medalist on uneven bars in 1991, was listed as 15 for three years in a row. Romania admitted in 2002 that several gymnasts’ ages had been falsified, including Olympic medalists Gina Gogean and Alexandra Marinescu.

Even China’s own Yang Yun, a double bronze medalist in Sydney, said during an interview aired on state broadcaster China Central Television that she was 14 in 2000. [/quote]

[quote=“Jack Burton”]And for an anecdote of how “darwinist” the sport program is in China (at least in swimming), I am told the top competitors (even at an early age) get better food (that can even mean better food than most Chinese get). Of course, they also are fed supplements which may or may not mean doping or chemicals which might harm a child’s developmental stage.

Mind you, I don’t know about the other sports programs other than one read about the East German swimmers in the 80s.[/quote]
The East Germans didn’t give a shit about their athletes after they stopped winning medals or being otherwise useful. Some of the women were pumped full of drugs until they grew a penis and then chucked out on a streets. I suspect the same thing will happen to some of the Chinese. In fact the reason they want them to compete so young is because then they can still pass for female, at least in dingy polluted hell that is Beijing and provided the state has a chance to Photoshop the official pictures before publication.

That’s why Home Depot advertises they hire the greatest number of Olympic hopefuls worldwide…

Those guys enter the workforce alright. Many sports have no endorsement deals once a gold medal is achieved.

Yep, and since being tall is advantageous in basketball, let’s have a maximum height rule there, else it’ll be so unfair to dudes with average heights.

Seriously though, when you make a rule that says you can’t compete when you’re in your prime, yeah, I guess you might have a few age falsifications. The same thing would happen if there’s a rule that says you can’t compete in basketball until you’re in your 30’s. Like I said before, the IOC should just get rid of the minimum age rule. It’s utterly stupid and makes no sense at all.