Proposals for Taiwanese flag

[Hokwongwei]

Hey man, I just like animals.

[hansioux]

@Hokwongwei

I think if we’re going 本土 it should be 本土 all the way. Formosan black bears (I like the idea of a white V on a black flag), 百步蛇, the peak of Yushan… anything related to nature.

the mata (rhombus) is also a reference to the vipers.

[hansioux]

@sofun

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

I’ll be convinced if you can find me an example of when Taiwanese or other Asians used the cross to represent their identity before Europeans arrived.

[hansioux]

@sofun

Very Asian.

Actually, the Vietnamese flag is just very communist.

also, I don’t think pentagon means what you think it means. And pentagrams are common in Chinese records.

In fact, most illustrations of the 5 elements 金木水火土 tend to be in a pentagram.

[sofun]

@hansioux

@sofun

Very Asian.

Actually, the Vietnamese flag is just very communist.

also, I don’t think pentagon means what you think it means. And pentagrams are common in Chinese records.

Yes you’re right I meant to say the pentagrams.

[sofun]

@hansioux

@sofun

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

I’m be convinced if you can find me an example of when Taiwanese or other Asians used the cross to represent their identity before Europeans arrived.

Yes as a matter of fact I could easily show you.
I didn’t just respond to your thread because it appeared to be so interesting that I wanted to give my 2cents.

[sofun]

It’s kinda cheating because I have with me a couple of resources including books on the Japanese Kamon.

I just wiki-ed and found out the cross appeared as early as in a graphic depiction of the Mongol invasion.

[hansioux]

@sofun

@hansioux

@sofun

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

I’ll be convinced if you can find me an example of when Taiwanese or other Asians used the cross to represent their identity before Europeans arrived.

Yes as a matter of fact I could easily show you.
I didn’t just respond to your thread because it appeared to be so interesting that I wanted to give my 2cents.

the maru juji was first employed by the Satsuma at least after 1602. Also the Satsuma was famous for its maritime interactions with people outside of Japan,. The Europeans were in Japan as late as 1543.

[allan_chang]

@sofun

@hansioux

@sofun

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

I’m be convinced if you can find me an example of when Taiwanese or other Asians used the cross to represent their identity before Europeans arrived.

Yes as a matter of fact I could easily show you.
I didn’t just respond to your thread because it appeared to be so interesting that I wanted to give my 2cents.

Terrible example. The Shimazu clan were the first in Japan to have continued contact with Christian Europeans and many clan members became Christian hence the prominent cross in their clan flag.

[TheGingerMan]

@sofun

@TheGingerMan

I would suggest no Euro-derived motif at all.
Looks pretentious and damn silly, in an Asian environment. Stay well clear of heraldry.

Focus on what little situational identity might actually be.

What do you want, a dragon with illegible Chinese characters?

How about a pentagon. I’m sure a pentagon is not european at all.

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

Don’t be obtuse.
What do I want?
I hope, the same as any resident of Taiwan would, something relevant.
You are a resident of this nation, I suppose?

A cross is ludicrous in the extreme. If you think that is proper for this island, not yet a nation, and nowhere near a state, then daydreams are truly utile.
Formosa, indeed.
How about “Isla Feio” emlazoned acrossed a brick coloured, dirty water, and poisoned grain, motif?
Poison rhetoric, empty ignorant phrases, and futile partisan jabbering do not any real response make, unless one is a hackish ogre of the first order.

[allan_chang]

If we are going to have religious symbols in the flag lets put the image of Matzsu there. At least Taiwanese can proudly say we haven’t persecuted people in the name of god.

[hansioux]

@sofun

It’s kinda cheating because I have with me a couple of resources including books on the Japanese Kamon.

I just wiki-ed and found out the cross appeared as early as in a graphic depiction of the Mongol invasion.

Some sources say a juji symbol can be seen in 蒙古襲来絵巻 (composed between 1275 and 1293). However, the official adoption of Maru Juji by the Satsuma was after 1602.

I also looked over all the sections of the said painting, the juji can be found in this section of the painting. In another section, there is also a 井 symbol.

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ba_2-2.jpg

However, Satsuma merely represents yet another colonial force here on this island. After all, it was the Satsuma who pushed Japan to annex and remain in Taiwan. The first couple Japanese prefects were strongly connected with Satsuma. Why would that be an appropriate example to use a cross here on this island?

[sofun]

@hansioux

However, Satsuma merely represents yet another colonial force here on this island. After all, it was the Satsuma who pushed Japan to annex and remain in Taiwan. The first couple Japanese prefects were strongly connected with Satsuma. Why would that be an appropriate example to use a cross here on this island?

I thought discussion at this point was whether white folks copyrighted the cross in Asia.

If Formosa is truly autonomous, we shouldn’t worry about how others view the flag design.

[sofun]

@TheGingerMan

@sofun

@TheGingerMan

I would suggest no Euro-derived motif at all.
Looks pretentious and damn silly, in an Asian environment. Stay well clear of heraldry.

Focus on what little situational identity might actually be.

What do you want, a dragon with illegible Chinese characters?

How about a pentagon. I’m sure a pentagon is not european at all.

Since when did white people copy-righted a cross?

Don’t be obtuse.
What do I want?
I hope, the same as any resident of Taiwan would, something relevant.
You are a resident of this nation, I suppose?

A cross is ludicrous in the extreme. If you think that is proper for this island, not yet a nation, and nowhere near a state, then daydreams are truly utile.
Formosa, indeed.
How about “Isla Feio” emlazoned acrossed a brick coloured, dirty water, and poisoned grain, motif?
Poison rhetoric, empty ignorant phrases, and futile partisan jabbering do not any real response make, unless one is a hackish ogre of the first order.

daydreams really?

I have come up with a design and provided with the rationale/design considerations of this design. The symbologies are plenty and evident, but it is not about christianity because I’m not a christian (for he record), and I have no feelings toward christian symbologies.

[TheGingerMan]

@sofun

I have come up with a design and provided with the rationale/design considerations of this design. The symbologies are plenty and evident, but it is not about christianity because I’m not a christian (for he record), and I have no feelings toward christian symbologies.

For the record, your {SIC} symbologies might be plenty, but they are not evident. And, forget about the cross…
Once again, do you even live here?

[sofun]

@hansioux

@sofun

@Hokwongwei

I can see this will become a very productive discussion.

I’m quite confident that there is no better one. If you see any please let me know.

I’m still not convinced having a cross in Taiwan’s flag has any cultural or spiritual significance to Taiwan’s past or its people in the present. Perhaps your religious belief lead you to feel the use of a cross absolute appropriate.

If a simple cross is all that’s needed, I think by removing the map of Taiwan from the DPP’s flag would also make a perfect candidate for the Taiwanese flag. In the beginning DPP had most of its support from presbyterian churches, which was why such a flag as advocated. There were people within the DPP who finds it inappropriate as well. Your non religious reasoning of having a cross on the flag is exactly the same as ones given by Christians within the DPP.

I don’t think it’s exactly the same because these are my original thoughts and original words. It could be a coincidence but if it is it is even better.

DPP party flag looks like this. .

[hansioux]

@sofun

@hansioux

However, Satsuma merely represents yet another colonial force here on this island. After all, it was the Satsuma who pushed Japan to annex and remain in Taiwan. The first couple Japanese prefects were strongly connected with Satsuma. Why would that be an appropriate example to use a cross here on this island?

I thought discussion at this point was whether white folks copyrighted the cross in Asia.

If Formosa is truly autonomous, we shouldn’t worry about how others view the flag design.

the world is connected, and I care if there’s a cross in my flag for no good reason.

[TheGingerMan]

@sofun

@hansioux

However, Satsuma merely represents yet another colonial force here on this island. After all, it was the Satsuma who pushed Japan to annex and remain in Taiwan. The first couple Japanese prefects were strongly connected with Satsuma. Why would that be an appropriate example to use a cross here on this island?

I thought discussion at this point was whether white folks copyrighted the cross in Asia.

If Formosa is truly autonomous, we shouldn’t worry about how others view the flag design.

Truly autonomous?
What on earth is that?
And who is this “we” you refer to?

For the 3rd time:
Do you even live here, or are just some smurf from Calgary?
Answer this direct question, if you please.

[hansioux]

@sofun

I don’t think it’s exactly the same because these are my original thoughts and original words. It could be a coincidence but if it is it is even better.

that’s a terrible rendition of the DPP flag. the color, the proportions, the boarders, all just terrible. can’t beleive they have a perfectly rendered 台灣民主國 flag on wikipedia, and that’s the DPP flag they use. My rendition of the DPP flag without the map.

Like I’ve said, I’m not convinced by why the cross should on the Taiwanese flag. I do like the simplistic aspects of flags featuring a cross. But if there should be one on the Taiwanese flag, the DPP flag without Taiwan isn’t bad looking.

[sofun]

@TheGingerMan

@sofun

@hansioux

However, Satsuma merely represents yet another colonial force here on this island. After all, it was the Satsuma who pushed Japan to annex and remain in Taiwan. The first couple Japanese prefects were strongly connected with Satsuma. Why would that be an appropriate example to use a cross here on this island?

I thought discussion at this point was whether white folks copyrighted the cross in Asia.

If Formosa is truly autonomous, we shouldn’t worry about how others view the flag design.

Truly autonomous?
What on earth is that?
And who is this “we” you refer to?

For the 3rd time:
Do you even live here, or are just some smurf from Calgary?
Answer this direct question, if you please.

Q:Truly autonomous?
A: Yes.
Q: Who is this “we” you refer to?
A: Those citizens who will swear allegiance to the country the flag in question represent, and thereby becoming a citizen of the state that the flag in question represent.
Q: Do you even live here, or are just some smurf from Calgary.
A: No comment to this sort of question.