Quality of life in Taiwan vs. the world (UN report)

The UN Development Programme recently released its annual reporter on best countries to live in amd GUESS where Taiwan is listed?

Number _______?

Read the article and then make an intelligent guess. AND after you correctly or incorrectly guesstimate the number, where would YOU place Taiwan on the list, if YOu were doing the rankings?

Norway Heads Quality of Life Index; Taiwan is Number __?

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - Norway, Iceland, Sweden,
Australia and the Netherlands ranked as the best
countries in which to live in the 2003 U.N. Human
Development report on Wednesday, but people in once
top-ranked Canada were miffed.

The United States ranked seventh and Canada was eighth
in the report that seeks to go beyond per-capita
income and include such factors as educational levels,
health care and life expectancy in measuring a
nation’s well-being.

Mainland Red China and India exhibited steady growth among
developing countries in the 1990s, now ranking in
104th place and 127th place, respectively.

The top-ranked nations were: Norway, Iceland, Sweden,
Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, United States,
Canada, Japan, Switzerland, Denmark, Ireland, Britain,
Finland, Luxembourg, Austria, France, Germany, Spain
and New Zealand.

Those with low development rankings, from 156th to
175th place, were: Senegal, Guinea, Rwanda, Benin,
Tanzania, Ivory Coast, Malawi, Zambia, Angola, Chad,
Guinea-Bissau, Democratic Republic of the Congo,
Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Mozambique,
Burundi, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger and Sierra Leone.

And Taiwan, what number in the rankings? #__________?

My guess is - being a UN thing, Taiwan doesn’t exist

My guess would be 100, because that is a perfect score! :laughing: (okay, not funny)

I think matthewh is probably right. According to the UN Taiwan is not a country so it won’t even be ranked. If it is ranked I believe it would be ranked above China which is 104th. Taipei 101? :smiley:

You’re right matthew. I scanned this: http://hdr.undp.org/reports/global/2001/en/pdf/back.pdf and couldn’t find it at all. Taiwan is not a country. China is 87th.

“Better to be a chicken’s head than a cow’s tail.”

More great statistics from the UN.

“Quality of life” is such a subjective evaluation that it’s all but impossible to come up with meaningful objective rankings for it.

The closest the statisticians can come would more accurately be described as something like “developmental status”, which is far different from quality of life. Peasants living in rustic simplicity can enjoy just as high a quality of life as denizens of the most sophisticated cities in the world. If your wants, pleasures, expectations, and sources of contentment are simple enough, you don’t need all the trappings of modernization, progress and development to satisfy them.

For those with all the opportunities and advantages that we Forumosans enjoy, quality of life is largely a matter of what we make it. I am highly satisfied with the quality of my life in Taiwan. If I were of a negative, whinging, dissatisfied disposition, I’d probably believe that my quality of life left a lot to be desired, and would most likely also lack the right mindset to do very much about improving it. But with such an attitude, perhaps I’d feel exactly the same wherever I lived, whether it were Stockholm, Vancouver, Baghdad or Monrovia.

So in my personal quality of life rankings, Taiwan is in the number one spot – because this is where I’ve chosen to settle, this is where I’ve carved out my niche, and this is where I enjoy a lifestyle that suits me as well as whatever else I could expect to experience anywhere else in the world.

My guess would be somewhere under Korea but higher than the Philippines. Taiwan

Huh? This would imply that there was an “outlying” or “Red Chinese” island…is that us?

They forgot to take climate into account. That would pretty much leave Australia 2,000,000 points ahead of their closest rival.

Ahhh yes, nothing quite like a balmy January day in Darwin or perhaps Cape York… :wink: Mmmmmmm… New Year’s day in Alice… almost warm wnough for shirt-sleeves, eh Fox?

As I recall, Taiwan (Taipei) was listed among the top 3 cities for expats to live in by Newsweek magazine a couple of years ago.

Sod boy,
You’re thinking of the now bankrupt Asiaweek and the ratings were only for cities in Asia. They placed Taipei fourth in 2000, behind two Jap cities (if memory serves me right - Tokyo and Fuk-okay sp??) and Singapore. As you may recall, the high rating led to a political debate. While Ma patted himself on the back, Chen complained that the kudos should go to him as the stats were from the period when he was mayor.

Yeah that sounds about right. Glad the mag went belly up as it was almost as awful as Catcher in the Rye.

Huh? This would imply that there was an “outlying” or “Red Chinese” island…is that us?[/quote]

Hainan

…now, now Johnny, play nice. :?

In some regards, I do agree with Omni that quality of life is what you make it, but I wonder how they arrive at the figures. Reckon it has something to do with local wages in relation to accessibility of things. Taiwan’s national health plan puts it ahead of the US in my book, but then simple things that everyone has in the US, such as cars, central air, and certain home appliances (dishwashers, proper stoves with ranges) are luxuries here.
Also there’s pollution levels that detract from quality of life in Taiwan, especially noise pollution (although that doesn’t affect me here much at all–why I’m up here), smog, traffic. Public transportation has improved a lot over the past few years, but it’s still not that great compared to other cities (tokyo, hong kong, amsterdam, etc)
The cost of real estate for what you get isn’t great in Taiwan. Some dump of a walk-up in downtown Taipei costs as much as a large single family dwelling in a nice part of suburbia in many areas of US. Example, my parents home is on the market now in US, located in a private beach resort community for around NT 25 million. It has six bedrooms and 4 toilets. What exactly do you get here for that price? In Tienmu? Some high rise 100 ping flat? That would cost a lot more, I’m sure. I do think QoL must have some relation to such factors. If Norway is at the top of the list with that kind of weather, that must mean that its people make outstanding wages even for menial work, and they can on average afford to live in quite good clean comfortable environments with a plethora of amenities available to them. Also, they’re socialised, aren’t they? So people get health and education benefits that detract from US and put it lower in the rankings.

so what are teh criteia for measuring this?

a)Population denstiy
b) Average skary
c) No of cars?

Seems all subjective to me

Quality of life here would mean level of social security and public amenities. I have lived in several of the top ranked countries. Sweden is a very nice very beautiful pleasant place but was the most deadly boring lonely place I ever stayed. The people were very standoffish and I couldn’t wait to leave.

Iceland has only got 200000 people mostly employed in fishing and service industries. Basically one city surrounded by huge glaciers. If an Icelandic person wants to go for a decent shop they fly to Scotland, Ireland , London for the weekend. Oh yeah and they probably spend six months of the year in semi darkness.

Norway is very nice but huge taxes and half the country is dark for half the year.

Australia is a great place , I would rank it no.1.

Taiwan is an environmental disaster but as they say it’s a ‘friendly hell compared to the lonely heaven’.