If you are a) thin and b) white, you’ll do fine. Taiwanese are extremely fat-phobic and think that “black” people are dirty and ugly.
Ouch. As harsh a critic of the TWese I think that out of bounds. Fat phobic yes but I don’t think they think blacks are dirty and ugly. I don’t get the ‘ugly’ from many people, but I’m certain that they wouldn’t want their sons married to me because of their obsession with having status.
Umm. Mod Lang. I don’t know much, but I think that is the most ridiculous thing you have ever written.
Surely you were extremely altered when you wrote that. I’m sure you don’t really feel that way, but were trying to express how you think Taiwanese people feel. Regardless, I believe your thinking is wrong. Not one person that I know feels or says anything like that and I would be shocked if any (let alone a Taiwanese) person said something in that vein. I know a lot of Taiwanese people as do you. Not one of the people I know (regardless of where they are from) would say something like this. I don’t believe any of the Taiwanese people you know, think like that either.
I’m not PC but I am a human.
I browse “Temp” for fun. This should have been flamed.
The truth? You CAN’T HANDLE the TRUTH!!!
Mod Lang is just expressing reality in an exaggerated, rather direct way.
[quote=“almas john”]The truth? You CAN’T HANDLE the TRUTH!!!
Mod Lang is just expressing reality in an exaggerated, rather direct way.[/quote]
Well maybe I missed the flow of the conversation. In the context, would you state the same as mod lang, almas john?
electronisk wrote [quote]In the context, would you state the same as mod lang, almas john?[/quote] No, I wouldn’t have said. However, I think there is a fair amount of truth to his comments.
I agree and have heard exactly what Mod said expressed many times by Taiwanese. It’s not right, but Mod’s not at all wrong.
HG
I read mod lang’s post as something forumosans complain about daily but in a very direct manner.
Fin.
[quote=“HGC”]I agree and have heard exactly what Mod said expressed many times by Taiwanese. It’s not right, but Mod’s not at all wrong.
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Wow. So I appear to be wrong to think that this is not a common perseption. I’m sorry to hear that. I haven’t heard anything close to that before. The saying “You learn something new everyday” has a new meaning. I’m not sure I want to learn that.
So who floundered Mod Lang’s post? Step forward Mod.
If you have a problem with the moderating, almas john, you can contact Maoman at any time. That’s the beauty of Forumosa. 
It was split from a threading about western women dating in Taiwan. Considering that all the black women I know in Taiwan, both in person and here on Forumosa, can’t swing a date if their lives depended on it, I think my point is valid. It’s not like Namahottie and ImaniOU don’t constantly moan abou their lack of sex lives in Taiwan…my post came directly after Namahottie complaining about sitting at home on Friday night watching TV and doing laundry.
As for fat, who here hasn’t had Taiwanese kids say “pig” or “pang pang” no matter how normal your body is by Western standards?
Then there is the story about a Taiwanese government official that was shocked to learn that when you shake hands with an African dignitary, the black color doesn’t wipe off on your hands. 
Mod Lang may have made his remarks bluntly, but there is definitely some truth to what he said.
[quote=“mod lang”]It was split from a threading about western women dating in Taiwan. Considering that all the black women I know in Taiwan, both in person and here on Forumosa, can’t swing a date if their lives depended on it, I think my point is valid. It’s not like Namahottie and ImaniOU don’t constantly moan abou their lack of sex lives in Taiwan…my post came directly after Namahottie complaining about sitting at home on Friday night watching TV and doing laundry.
As for fat, who here hasn’t had Taiwanese kids say “pig” or “pang pang” no matter how normal your body is by Western standards?[/quote]
I made my post in part jest and part truth, the former being more important. I am certain that if I altered some of my habits I probably could get a date or two. I’m just not motivated enough, at least at this moment at time. Tomorrow who knows I can’t speak for Imaniou, although she has mentioned that she has had some results they just don’t drop out of the sky like if we were in the States. But who’s to say its all location. Sometimes the simplest of things can have many facets to them like a diamond.
As for Mod lang’s point having validity or not. Those who have been around TWese who have expressed these thoughts, brings to mind the old saying “birds of a feather flock together”. We don’t gravity naturally to people who are ‘racist’ but I would say that we do tend to gravity toward people who reflect a certain amount of beliefs in us. Or they at least mirror back to us what is in us, “good” or “bad”.
The TWese and Taiwan have their own connotations about race. It’s not something that can be easy discussed like US race issues because of obvious reasons=history,location,culture, etc. Also, you have to ask yourself(general) in today’s culture, with all these interactions btw the Taiwanese and foreigners how is it that they still possess a certain level of misperception about other races?
It is not a foreigner’s job to give culture lessons to their TWese friends about what’s PC or not. But I would say their is a fair share of responsibility for a foreigner who is friends with a Twese person, who is interested in other cultures, to show that TWese person another dynamic, frame of reference. If you choice to do so, then more power to you, because you are reducing the negative power of judgment. If you choose not to then more power to you, also. Just keep in mind that your words, spoken and unspoken do have an effect.
Since moving to Taiwan, I’ve had a real problem struggling with this race issue because I’m constnatly faced with negativity. Stereotypes and equality debated abound. Shit, it goes on between countrymen. I have never, untill arriving in Taiwan, been so engaged in these debates. My friends back home range in groups and really no one discusses this shit back home as often or with such vigor as they do here. Why is that? Well it’s simple - enviroment.
There’s a real problem here that needs to be adressed but then again, this is Taiwan and I’ve mentioend before that unlike the West, it’ll take another 100 to 200 years of ‘catching up’. Even ABC’s and CBC’s play this race card to the point where I feel physically sick while discussing it. Back home, my only group of friends who dicussed these issues in an almost hurtful manner were my Asian friends. Refering to me as a cracker or whiteboy in a condecending tone. But hell folks…what I see out on F.com is a bunch of people who are out of their comfort zone and aren’t used to being treated this way.
Nama, I love it when you flip the script and totally go in another direction when you yourself have gone on endless rants regarding Taiwanese Society. I can understand your plight to a degree that I’m confident in saying so but since you take what I have to say with a grain of salt…then so be it. I’ve been around the block a few times over and have had to endure some serious racism towards me that has been purely unwarrented and I’m not only talkin about Taiwan but refering to Toronto. I love the remark of “Reverse Racism” <----WTF is that shit? Cuz I’m white it means I’m not allowed to feel it’s sting?
Granted most whiteboys (Smile and get used to it Casper), haven’t been faced with being singled out with racism so it’s hard for most of the whites here to grasp. But there are guys like me that have had to endure this shit and have gotten somewhat used to it. Do I like it? Hell no. But if I open my mouth I’m seen as …ha…racist. It’s a battle a white guy can’t win.
Anyway…Untill I moved to Asia…I have never had to discuss this shit on a daily basis as I do here. Plus I hate these contradictions F.commers seem to revel in. Complain like children about Taiwanese being this and that then turning around and cry because the big bad Taiwanese guy beat them up for being white, black, green, brown whateverthefuck or because they screwed you over due to a contract dispute or your bill at the bar/restraunt.
flex it makes me angry …okok…what doesn’t make me angry??? hmmm…
rant off
[quote=“M0NSTER”]
Nama, I love it when you flip the script and totally go in another direction when you yourself have gone on endless rants regarding Taiwanese Society. I can understand your plight to a degree that I’m confident in saying so but since you take what I have to say with a grain of salt…then so be it. I’ve been around the block a few times over and have had to endure some serious racism towards me that has been purely unwarrented and I’m not only talkin about Taiwan but refering to Toronto. I love the remark of “Reverse Racism” <----WTF is that shit? Cuz I’m white it means I’m not allowed to feel it’s sting? [/quote]
Not sure what to make of it. Are you complienting me or hinting at hypocrisy ? 
And where does “reverse racism” come into play?
But I did say this in my first post:
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Ouch. As harsh a critic of the TWese(edit=meaning me) I think that out of bounds. Fat phobic yes but I don’t think they think blacks are dirty and ugly. I don’t get the ‘ugly’ from many people, but I’m certain that they wouldn’t want their sons married to me because of their obsession with having status[/quote]
Yes, I meant gravitate. Opps 
Thanks JD smith.
Yes I was hinting towards your own hypocricy and others on this site. The “reverse racism” comment was meant to point out that a white man with his own view on the matter is refered to as someone feeling ‘reverse racism’. When I hear that from people of ‘ethnicity’ it makes my skin crawl. That’s another one: “People of Ethnicity”. Like my own ethnicity doesn’t count because I’m white? Oh wait it does…but that’s another topic and I have to remind myself that I’m just an evil whiteman.
Everyone has their own issue on the matter and that’s fine. Raise awareness but don’t turn around and become what you dislike about this place. That’s all I’m saying.
[quote=“M0NSTER”]Yes I was hinting towards your own hypocricy and others on this site. The “reverse racism” comment was meant to point out that a white man with his own view on the matter is refered to as someone feeling ‘reverse racism’. When I hear that from people of ‘ethnicity’ it makes my skin crawl. That’s another one: “People of Ethnicity”. Like my own ethnicity doesn’t count because I’m white? Oh wait it does…but that’s another topic and I have to remind myself that I’m just an evil whiteman.
Everyone has their own issue on the matter and that’s fine. Raise awareness but don’t turn around and become what you dislike about this place. That’s all I’m saying.[/quote]
Yowww! That’s umm, well full of issues. I always flip the script but try to be accountable for errors also. That’s just the dynamic part of me. 
As for ‘reverse racism’, this issue of the TWese and their views on blacks and other races can’t be blamed on whites. That’s just out and out stupid. You should reread my post. It’s a general statement about actions. I have encountered a variety of people here who can easily feed into the negative stereotype/belief system here.
[quote=“Namahottie”][quote=“M0NSTER”]Yes I was hinting towards your own hypocricy and others on this site. The “reverse racism” comment was meant to point out that a white man with his own view on the matter is refered to as someone feeling ‘reverse racism’. When I hear that from people of ‘ethnicity’ it makes my skin crawl. That’s another one: “People of Ethnicity”. Like my own ethnicity doesn’t count because I’m white? Oh wait it does…but that’s another topic and I have to remind myself that I’m just an evil whiteman.
Everyone has their own issue on the matter and that’s fine. Raise awareness but don’t turn around and become what you dislike about this place. That’s all I’m saying.[/quote]
Yowww! That’s umm, well full of issues. I always flip the script but try to be accountable for errors also. That’s just the dynamic part of me. As for ‘reverse racism’, this issue of the TWese and their views on blacks and other races can’t be blamed on whites. That’s just out and out stupid. You should reread my post. It’s a general statement about actions. I have encountered a variety of people here who can easily feed into the negative stereotype/belief system here.[/quote]
Yep. Seems to me that everyone buys into it and people all over the place in Taipei are at a stand off. My friends from Africa to my white friends from Europe and The West have bought into this garbage. Why? GRRRR
And yes, this topic for me at least is full of issues that stem from backhome and here. It’s tiring.
And no…I’m not refering to the Taiwanese view as being fueled by a White point of view. I personally think our media is to blame coupled with our history. Fear baby…Fear.