RAM installation

For photoshop it might help you manipulate large files to add in more memory. But it is called DUAL data rate for a reason. It works better with 2.

If you can find a cheep (used is ok) stick of 1 gig then go for it, but right now the old memory is at a premium price.

If you need to keep this computer for a year or more then I would put in the 2x1gig stickes. Memory is the best thing you can add. Whats your MoBo? I could look it up and give you better advice if you know it. And CPU. Also take a look inside and make sure you don’t have 4 ram slots. If you do getting 2x512 would be great (in most Mobo’s). I could even sell it to you as I have some sitting here. I could slap it in if you are near ChiaYi.

[quote=“cfimages”]It’s DDR333 (pc2700). The motherboard can handle 2GB, and has 2 slots, so I assume that means 1GB per slot.

I may end up just buying a new PC, (which I was going to do in 6-12 months anyway) as I’m starting to run low on HD space as well.[/quote]

I have 2 GB mem and my mb can handle 4GB, have about 700-800 GB HDD hanging on here and running out of space …

SDRAM and DDR or still available later on but are more expensive, but new mobo are definitely going to take DDR2 or other newer RAM, you can’t probably take the DDR with you, just keep the ‘old’ computer as a back-up or internet computer and build a new high-end system for photo processing only …

[quote=“Chicken”]For photoshop it might help you manipulate large files to add in more memory. But it is called DUAL data rate for a reason. It works better with 2.

If you can find a cheep (used is ok) stick of 1 gig then go for it, but right now the old memory is at a premium price.

If you need to keep this computer for a year or more then I would put in the 2x1gig stickes. Memory is the best thing you can add. Whats your MoBo? I could look it up and give you better advice if you know it. And CPU. Also take a look inside and make sure you don’t have 4 ram slots. If you do getting 2x512 would be great (in most Mobo’s). I could even sell it to you as I have some sitting here. I could slap it in if you are near Jiayi.[/quote]

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I think your mixing up two different things here.

One is DDR (Double Data Rate) SDRAM which is a type of memory, as it’s name suggests, offers double the bandwidth compared to it’s predecessor SDRAM. This is achieved by sending data twice per clock pulse, (imagine the form of a digital pulse) once every time the pulse reaches a peak and another when it reaches a valley.

The other is a technique of addressing two memory modules in a way to double bandwidth called Dual Channel.

For example we have a 2 X 512MB setup. Traditionally a memory module is being filled and addressed one at a time, when the first module reaches it’s capacity of 512MB then the 2nd module is being addressed (effectively just using a single channel to the memory).

But what Dual Channel does is it addresses the the two memory modules at the same time hence called Dual Channel which results in an increase of bandwidth. Note: I said increase of bandwidth and not doubling it because of the complexity of keeping track of it all creates some overhead, thats also the reason why we don’t (yet?) see triple or quad channel implementations out there I think.

Anyway there are some requirements and restrictions for using Dual Channel though, one of them is you obviously need two memory modules of the same capacity and the other is your mobo needs to support it. Another side note: while using two identical memory modules is highly recommended you don’t need to pay premium price for a “matching pair” or “specially engineered for dual channel” memory, any two identical modules will do. Thats just marketing at work to get ignorant consumers to pay more for the same thing.
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Anyhow as for the topic starters question: I think upgrading to 1.5GB will do as a temp solution since that will reduce the HD swapping. Accessing your RAM instead of your HD does make an HUGE difference, your HD will have a throughput something like 100MB/s and access time of 9.3ms (9300ns) while a DDR333 will be around 2700MB/s access time 7ns (so RAMs bandwidth is 2700/100= 27 times greater and 9300/7=1328,5 times less latency). While looking for a slab 1GB DDR mem you can also buy a 400MHZ (pc3200) module since the price difference is nearly nonexistent, the 400MHZ module will then simply run at 333MHZ speed like the rest of your memory.

Yes it is basically plug and play, if you know where/how to plug it, and no you don’t need to change any BIOS settings. I’ve heard of some horror stories where people managed to brute force insert the RAM module the wrong way around, turn on their pc and then wondering why it’s not working and why there is a smell like something is burning :smiling_imp:

As for choice of brands just avoid the no-name crap and spend a few more bucks for a well known memory brand like Samsung, Kingston, Micron, Hynix ect. just to avoid the possibility of an instable system or even worse data corruption and wasting a whole afternoon because of it (speaking of personal experience here). There usually is a list, on the mobo manufacturers website or manual, of memory which has been tested by the manufacturer if you want to play it safe.

And finally defragging your HD might also help a little bit for the times when the HD needs to be accessed anyway.

p.s. For some odd reason I always get the urge for some Flemish pastries every time I see a post of belgian pie :hungry:

Chicken - I’m not sure what the mobo is. I still haven’t found the manual. Last time I had the case open, I took a look at what slots were available and I’m pretty sure that there were only 2 RAM slots. I’ll need to check again. 4 slots would be great, as I could just add 2x 512MB, giving me 2GB total.

BP - I thought about building a new system for photo processing only, it’s still an option. I’ve actually always wanted to build my own system myself (as in buy the parts and put it together myself, rather than having a shop do it), so this might be a good chance to give it a go. Especially as I have no plans yet for CNY, it’ll give me something to do.

MC - Thanks for that info, it’s good to know. I was looking on pchome to get an idea of prices in Taiwan, and DDR400 is slightly cheaper than DDR333. But, based on the pictures, they don’t look the same - 1 is 184pin, the other is 200pin. I found an old 256MB stick that I had lying around, and although it says DDR333 on it, it looks like DDR400 as pictured on pchome. Hmm.

As long it’s DDR it will fit, 184 pins are used for the DDR standard. See here for more RAM pin related info. As you can see the 200-pin layout is used for DDR SO-DIMMs in other words the stuff that goes into notebooks (SO stands for Small Outline). Bottom line is you’ve been comparing desktop RAM with notebook RAM :wink:

Hi. MC is right, I over-simplified the memory thing :slight_smile: but look at how long it took him to explain it.

Now is a good time to buy for CPU (quad-core probably wont help photos much), Mobo’s, Vista, DDR2 ram, and DVD players. Its not so good for Hard drives (because perpendicular hybrid drives are coming soon (Tera-bytes with flash memory buffers)) and next gen optical (Bluray or HDdvd?).

If you need help shopping I love to do it and suggest systems for people. I get the fun of shopping without having to spend my $.

Do you want Vista right now? I would suggest looking at an Apple unless you have lots of software you know will run on vista. The only reason I don’t have one myself (or use Linux more) is that I am a gamer.

Chicken - nope, don’t want Vista. Maybe after they release an SP1 for it, but I’m not going to pay to be Bill’s beta tester.

Everyone - thanks for the advice. I ended up buying 2x 1GB sticks and just installed them. No problems, it took longer to unplug all the cables than it did to install the memory.

Ah. You will be happy. RAM is good! Let us know if you can feel the difference.