Reduced Quarantine Trial

Are those test self-paid or government funded?

No before you go checked at the airport. Same as before.

The news I read said 公費 so should be govt funded I think. But hasn’t started yet.

@WilliamYang120

Chen said there will be no more home quarantine for those entering #Taiwan from abroad.

2:09 PM · Jun 25, 2021·Twitter Web App
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前述7國旅遊史以外之所有入境旅客,入境後應入住防疫旅宿或自費入住集中檢疫所14天. Exact wording, which specifically said that all travellers from countries apart from the 7 high risk countries need to be quarantined at hotels or self-paid centralized quarantine venues.

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Even if I live at home by myself?

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What about the 7 high-risk countries (which includes the UK, I believe)? They have to stay at the centralized quarantine facilities even if they have their own apartment, right?

https://www.cdc.gov.tw/En/Bulletin/Detail/Kv_CAyPGVhXXkntQgLsGNA?typeid=158

CDC’s press release on end of home quarantine.
This is all the details I’ve seen available so far

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Mhh, so flying in via the UK becomes much more interesting now because then the quarantine will be free…

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Depends you mindset.
Do rules apply for you?

I am not implying that the rules dont apply to me. I want to see what the whole story is. I resent that.

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Note that, if I understand the rules right, if you fly via the UK you’ll have zero choice about where you spend the two weeks, and you’ll be in some kind of government facilities. From other countries you’ll still have the option of quarantine hotels. That could make a huge difference in how bearable the two weeks of confinement is, even if you are saving yourself a fair chunk of money.

Or it may not make a big difference in misery levels. I haven’t had a good impression of most hotels in Taiwan.

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The thing about the policy that really gets me is that it does not differentiate at all between fully vaccinated and not.

I wonder if the quantity of quarantine hotel rooms can handle 2000 or so arrivals per day? That would seem to require ~2000 * 14 = 38,000 rooms nights / day once the policy is in affect 14 days.

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There’s a bit of logic in that the numbers are still unclear on how much the vaccinated can still catch and spread the virus, despite much lower risk of getting sick and dying. It looks like it’s a low chance, but it’s not zero, and more importantly for government decisions, I believe there aren’t the scientific studies yet.

That being said … yeah. It’s frustrating.

Point of comparison: Canada introduced similar rules about mandatory (but shorter) hotel stays around three months ago, and only now are they being eased for the fully vaccinated. Who knows how things will proceed here.

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I get your point. But aren’t we relying on vaccination to be the barrier between quarantine hotel staff / quarantine taxi drivers etc. and the rest of Taiwan?

I think logical reasoning is secondary to the governments decision anyway. They dropped the ball on quarantine policy once, and fear dropping the ball again on letting Delta virus in. So they put in a draconian policy like this.
I doubt they will relax it anytime soon, even when forced to add USA to the “7 high risk” countries in a month or so.

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Yup. It’s not far off the barriers thrown up around the nearby jogging track, while the unventilated offices remain open: stopping things they can stop, without paying much attention to where actions can be most effective.

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One of the 7 high-risk countries is Israel, which has one of the highest fully vaxxed rates in the world.

Apparently as many as half the cases are in vaxxed people, but the vast majority of severe cases are in unvaxxed people. The Delta variant is apparently responsible for this, as it’s now accounting for 70% of all cases.

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Quoting @lostinasia because he is damn right and as an introduction to the benefits (or otherwise) of implementing draconian laws when the problem is elsewhere.

Mandatory quarantine for everyone in government facilities or hotels is a waste of taxpayers’ money, if we consider that since Taiwan closed its borders in March 2020 the few important outbreaks that happened, including the current one, were not caused by “normal” people quarantining at home.

So, the question (to myself) is: if home quarantine for overseas arrivals worked round-the-clock when the outside world was in much direr conditions than the recent months, what is the reason of becoming stricter now, especially with fully vaccinated people? Reduced quarantine for pilots was the issue, not regular quarantine for the others.

Just a rant, though :unamused: and the unwillingness to be locked in a quarantine facility after two jabs.

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That would be a game changer if the Delta variant is much more transmissible by vaccinated people. Did a quick search of credible sources and could not find that issue raised outside that “business insider” article you linked too. e.g. in recent Nature, New York time, National Geographic, New Yorker etc.
Have you seen it elsewhere?

I guess its just a matter of degree though. With AZ efficacy against delta at 60%, there are going to be some travelers with delta virus loads in their systems arriving at CKS airport.

I did find some other countries, eg. Italy, putting a quarantine on vaccinated travelers from UK due to delta variant risk - though only 5 days there.

It’s theater. The government is covering its ass and making it look like it’s taking strong action to protect the country. That’s especially important since it got caught with its pants down on 3+11 and the vaccines.

TBH, I think many/most Taiwanese will be happy about this change. Anecdotally, I’ve heard more than a few people express a desire for the border to basically be closed altogether since the beginning of the pandemic.

If the quarantine facilities get overwhelmed, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if TW pulled an Australia and made it even more difficult for people to leave and come back.

This really isn’t surprising. We already know that the vaccines don’t provide full sterilizing immunity so breakthrough infections are possible. The primary goal of the vaccines is to reduce the risk of severe illness and death. The people who are getting really sick and dying are still the unvaxxed.

COVID will become endemic and eventually in the vaxxed it will probably be no more a threat than a cold. Do we panic and test people for rhinoviruses? Of course not. The problem right now for countries like TW is that the vax rates aren’t high enough so if this gets in and spreads, it can get really ugly.

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