Just wanna add this so that we all remember that we like each other:
Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?
Enough of this nonsense about a boycott…
[quote=“Tigerman”]Just wanna add this so that we all remember that we like each other:
Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?
Enough of this nonsense about a boycott…[/quote]
Shhh! I mean, you’re allowed, but, can you not keep it down 'til the weather turns and the days get shorter?
Nothing, except the guy comes from a country that takes a shine to sharia law. We look down on it, one of the reasons being lack of compassion.
We like to say that our system is better. So the Scots are backing that up with action.
Showing a good example, so to speak.
[quote=“Tigerman”]Just wanna add this so that we all remember that we like each other:
Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?
Enough of this nonsense about a boycott…[/quote]
Yes, yes. I read that blog too. Do you read Free Range International?
My beef with sharia law is not that it lack compassion. My beef with sharia law is that it is it lacks due process and the punishments are cruel and unusual and arbitrary.
The punishment should match the crime. I think this guy served about 2 weeks or so for every person he killed in cold blood. Does that sound remotely fair? The dead should have been so lucky as to live long enough to get cancer.
If you don’t believe he is guilty, then that is a different matter. Overturn the conviction.
Can’t. Doing so would reveal the extent to which the US pressured for a conviction. The US doesn’t want that, neither do the Brits, hence Kenny MacKaskill’s forced hand. Overturning the conviction would be the easy part – the evidence was deeply flawed at best, a US-engineered kangaroo court at worst. Forget the “compassion” nonsense. MacKaskill has been “advised” – read “instructed” – to invoke this aspect of Scots law to avoid opening a can of worms that nobody wants opened. You don’t honestly believe Holyrood operates in a vacuum, do you?
I believe.
Erm, hallelujah?
Anyway, what’s so great about paying costs for the deaths of prisoners, anyway?
I care. Caring is great. I believe that caring is great. Isn’t it great that I care? I do believe that is great.
[quote]We care a lot)
(We care a lot)
(We care a lot) about disasters, fires, floods and killer bees
about the NASA shuttle falling in the sea
(We care a lot) about starvation and the food that Live Aid bought
(We care a lot) about disease, baby Rock, Hudson, rock, yeah!
Woow
Woah a woah a oh
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
We care a lot
(We care a lot)
(We care a lot) about the gamblers and the pushers and the geeks
(We care a lot) about the smack and crack and whack that hits the street
(We care a lot) about the welfare of all the boys and girls
(We care a lot) about you people cause we’re out to save the world
(YEAH)
Woow, Wooow
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Woah a woah a oh
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Said, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Woah a woah a oh
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Said, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
(We care a lot) about the army navy air force and marines
(We care a lot) about the M.Y.S.F.N.L.A.P.D
(We care a lot) about you people
(We care a lot) about your guns
(We care a lot) about the wars you’re fighting gee that looks like fun
(We care a lot) about the Garbage Pail Kids, they never lie
(We care a lot) about Transformers cause there’s more than meets the eye
(We care a lot) about the little things, the bigger things we top
(We care a lot) about you people yeah you bet we care a lot
YEAH!
(Woah a woah a oh)
Said, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
(Woah a woah a oh)
Said, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Said, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty job but someones gotta do it
Oh, its a dirty song but someons gotta sing it now
[/quote]
Can’t. Doing so would reveal the extent to which the US pressured for a conviction. The US doesn’t want that, neither do the Brits, hence Kenny MacKaskill’s forced hand. Overturning the conviction would be the easy part – the evidence was deeply flawed at best, a US-engineered kangaroo court at worst. Forget the “compassion” nonsense. MacKaskill has been “advised” – read “instructed” – to invoke this aspect of Scots law to avoid opening a can of worms that nobody wants opened. You don’t honestly believe Holyrood operates in a vacuum, do you?[/quote]
He has been advised not to release the convict and he did so anyways. So what’s to stop him from overturning the conviction? Evidence perhaps?
Can’t. Doing so would reveal the extent to which the US pressured for a conviction. The US doesn’t want that, neither do the Brits, hence Kenny MacKaskill’s forced hand. Overturning the conviction would be the easy part – the evidence was deeply flawed at best, a US-engineered kangaroo court at worst. Forget the “compassion” nonsense. MacKaskill has been “advised” – read “instructed” – to invoke this aspect of Scots law to avoid opening a can of worms that nobody wants opened. You don’t honestly believe Holyrood operates in a vacuum, do you?[/quote]
He has been advised not to release the convict and he did so anyways. So what’s to stop him from overturning the conviction? Evidence perhaps?[/quote]
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Not for us little people to speculate upon, though. Well, we can speculate, but the US, the UK, the Scottish Parliament and the Libyan government will ensure that it remains just that. There’s definitely far more to this than meets the eye.
Certainly, perhaps, there definitely may be is…
Well, that’s a position we can all get behind! Well said, sir! 
:bravo:
The problem now is what to label Scottish products to show our disdain, like they did with Freedom Fries. We can’t call Scotch eggs Freedom eggs, because, actually, it’s someone’s freedom that’s made everyone mad . . . incarceration-till-death eggs?
Lock-him-up-forever whisky?
It’s not easy, is it. 
an update to the boycottscotland.com/ post made on page 1 of this thread:
[quote]UPDATE: The government of Scotland has officially freed the terrorist al-Megrahi to return to Libya, according to the latest AP news report. Americans need to respond to this outrageous miscarriage of justice and betrayal of the victims’ families, who were mostly fellow Americans, by refusing to spend their tourist dollars in Scotland and avoiding any kind of business there. Boycotting is the only way to send a clear and direct message to both the Scottish and British governments that Americans will not tolerate such a flagrant betrayal.
No words can ever express the sorrow that those of us who lost loved ones in that terrible tragedy at this moment in time. To show your solidarity with the families of the victims, please spread the word to your family and friends and remind them to never forget what the Scottish government has done and to take this into account whenever they consider a trip to the British Isles.
Here in the United States, boycott all BP gas stations, since the money you spend there ends up in the pockets of those in the United Kingdom responsible for this travesty.
Mr. MacAskill, the so-called “Justice” Secretary of Scotland, you should be ashamed of yourself. You know nothing of justice, nor will we ever forgive your heinous action, and it is our sincere hope that the people of Scotland will strongly voice their opposition to what you have done. You have shown to the international community that your government and the United Kingdom as a whole will stop at nothing to pursue the neverending and relentless acquisition of oil revenues.
When will it ever end?
NOTE: While most emails have thus far been very supportive, whether they be from Americans, British citizens, and many others, there have been a few British and Scottish individuals who have sent threatening and extremely defamatory messages towards American relatives and friends of the Lockerbie victims.
Lest there be any doubt, this boycott is not aimed against the people of Scotland or the United Kingdom, but against the governments of Scotland and Britain. The unfortunate reality is that initiating boycotts against the tourism, banking, and oil industries of a particular country are necessary in order to force that government to listen and understand and admit their error.
The influence of British Petroleum in this entire charade has been well known and discussed quite often, most especially in the United Kingdom. But thus far the British and Scottish legislatures have refused to take any action or admit that such commercial interests have taken precedence, rather than such dubious claims of “compassion.”
To those brave souls in Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom who stand against the corruption of their politicians and are willing to stand with us in protecting the memories and legacy of the victims of Pan Am Flight 103, your support is graciously appreciated.[/quote]
But a boycott of BP might get the ball rolling?
This is commonly done for terminal patients - Ronnie Biggs was also recently freed. Not releasing foreign nationals on the same terms as Brits because of overseas’ pressure would be wrong.
Wondering if Americans will stop buying Saudi oil in light of 9/11 then . . .
The fact is, it was an horrific event. Only one man was caught, and his conviction seemed questionable from the start. But convicted he was. He’s now going to die. He spent the rest of his days in prison for the crime that was committed. He’s about to die, and, like every other prisoner who is terminally ill, he is being released.
Whether you agree with that or not, I think you have to admire the principles involved. It’s how countries should be run: one rule for all. The convicted is also facing a death sentence of sorts, and you have that to be grateful for, too, if that’s your thing.
Or boycott kilt purchases, if that’s your thing instead.
[quote=“Elegua”]I would agree that the Patriot Act is a failure and some parts violate the 4th amendment. But I’m not so convinced that Europe got it right. Generally European gov. agencies have more powers to arrest and hold to start with.
Examples being the UK Prevention of Terrorism Acts in response to the troubles The Reale Act in Italy that allows detention without court orders of France where detaininees can be held while evidence is gathered - all passed during the 80’s. In most EU countries these powers were increased following 9/11.[/quote]
Well, yes, the European governments did the same, shame on them.
The Lockerbie bomb - I do not think that the guy they just released was a terrorist per se, it’s fairly certain that he acted on orders.
That’s not an excuse, however I think the victims families would feel a bit better if the persons ordering and funding it were the ones behind bars, however somehow I don’t think it will happen.
I’m not too worried about it. He’s finished in this life and if he did the deed he’ll soon be facing the victims of his crime face to face. He’ll be wishing he was back in prison in Scotland at that point.
That’s one of the benefits of belief in an afterlife. It affords one the luxury of taking the long view of such things.
I’m with TC. :fume:
Boycott Sand’s Posteria!
:raspberry:
(That’s supposed to sound like “pizzeria”, not “posterior.”)