Roe v. Wade overturned

I agree with that too. But you seemed to say above that you don’t think the federal government can make laws about this. Or did I misunderstand?

Isn’t the Mississippi law at 16 weeks? That puts it at the middle of the road for Europe…I’m not sure how that is a near-total ban. I guess the map is predictive, so maybe that’s what they’re getting at.

So… like $50 to go to the park and have a picnic since there is national healthcare, or tens of thousands to go someplace special and pay for people who aren’t covered?

We talk baseball.

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Edit: Well, to be honest I’m less and less sure that there’s actually a process for interpreting the constitution. I read the decision, and what stuck out to me is that it ultimately comes down to philosophical differences between individual justices, who were generally appointed specifically for their beliefs on this issue. So it’s a political vote, and the whole thing is sort of pointless. But yes, that certainly shouldn’t be how decisions are made.

It’s a significant sum to get specialists for all the kids. The NHS doesn’t fund field days for kids like this. Basic care at the hospital yes, but nothing like this.

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Probably not a big surprise. But he’s not a big believer of NHS.

In fairness, no-one who has ever interacted with the NHS is a believer in the NHS. I broke my arm doing judo as a teenager and they left me on a stretcher in a corridor for thirteen hours before I got any care at all. Starting at 8pm on a Thursday. That was more than twenty years ago, and I hear it’s only gotten worse.

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It’s absolutely garbage. I’ve not been able to use it once since I got here. It’s a scam. If it was a insurance company they would get sued to kingdom come. But it’s fine the government takes my money by force and doesn’t provide anything they said they would for it.

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It’s amazing how the country that fucking invented constitutional review now has a bunch of sick fucks twisting words to fit their evangelical worldview, ruin millions of lives, and murder women.

I am very glad that the constitutional justices in Taiwan live in the 21st century.

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Your side is trying to strip away womens rights, and don’t pretend they won’t eventually try to throw the book at women (not well-connected) that will attempt to cross states to get abortions or get an abortion pill by mail. Now, what kind pf apparatus will be needed to enforce this?? Your failure of imagination is staggering, but you know I guess not surprising since I very much doubt this will affect you personally. This behavior falls neatly in line with the “I have mine, fuck you” vibe the Right has been giving off for years now.

Do you think birth control should be banned? If so why, praytell

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Based on the actual Constitution, yes. But of course state legislatures could still do it. That’s the whole point of this case.

But SCOTUS rarely rules on the actual Constitution and has greatly expanded the powers of the federal government. I have no doubt that if Congress passed a law legalizing abortion that SCOTUS would uphold it under the Commerce Clause or the General Welfare clause. We are too far down the erosion of our rights to go back to the actual words and intent of the Constitution. It would wipe out the many (if not most) federal laws.

Well, I’ve already had a woman at work tell me that abortion is outlawed, and in most states, it’s not. Time limit “bans” are a solid middle ground, imo. My hope is that we can grow up a bit and realize that we work together on neglected issues, or we fall apart. Neither side is evil and neither opinion is odious.

Yes, we do. And what a pleasure THAT thread has become!

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Over half a million waiting. That’s just waiting. People gave up seeing anyone.

Not only Did it get worse, it’s more money to pay in.

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No. If you don’t understand the argument or the Constitution, just stay silent and try and learn.

No. But it is also obviously not protected by the Constitution.

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This seems odd, on its face. I feel like no matter what law gets made about abortion, it affects someone’s basic human rights. Isn’t that sort of thing supposed to be federal?

No. Article 1 Section 8 lays out what the powers of Congress are. It doesn’t talk about rights. The Bill of Rights was written to limit the federal government, protecting the ability of people in the States to regulate themselves.

Edit to add that the 14th amendment changed this (as well as the 13th and 15th). But to suggest that those expanded the role of the federal government to the extent it exists today is disingenuous at best.

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Human rights are a post-WWII concoction.

Going by the NYT’s tracker, there are like 12 states which have absolute bans on the books pending this decision.

He is probably still jaded that slavery was done away with and the feds had to reel in the southern states, for all I know.

The fed keeps Yall’Qaeda from taking over a state and making it a haven for themselves - which I assume @Mithrandir, even at a subconscious level, is vulnerable to desiring. This recent ruling chips away at the Fed’s ability to fend off religious whack jobs accumulating more power

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Much like your ability to reason through legal concepts, you are exceptionally bad at mind reading. You should stop trying.

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