Same Same, but Different?

[Tigerman]

Any of you who have been to Cambodia and have gone to a market and were confronted by vendors enthusiastically trying to sell their goods to you might recognize the title of this thread…

So, McCain has been ridiculed by the liberal media and the many who have a teen girl crush on Obamessiah for making the following statement a week or so ago:

@McCain

You know, there’s been tremendous turmoil in our financial markets and Wall Street and it is – people are frightened by these events. Our economy, I think, still [color=#0000FF]the fundamentals of our economy are strong[/color]. But these are very, very difficult times. And I promise you, we will never put America in this position again. We will clean up Wall Street. We will reform government.

And then, the Obamessiah made the following statement:

@Obamessiah

For those Americans who have lost their jobs and have been working hard to find a new one, but haven’t found one yet. That’s part of the change we need. And then after this immediate problem, [color=#0000FF]we’ve got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows[/color]. Change means tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses that deserve it.

What’s the difference?

Same Same, but Different?

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

Actually, that quote commonly appears on tshirts for tourists in Thailand.

I’d say both are completely wrong. Solid fundamentals do not include the looming collapse of retail banks, deteriorating employment figures (watch this space, unemployment is a lag effect. Figures have been okay till now), a currency looking to drop through the floor and wildly accelerating income disparity. To name just a few issues on the horizon.

Neither quote bodes well for the future economic admin of the US, or the level of honesty or integrity of the people that made them.

HG

[Jaboney]

Just guessing, but you aren’t buying the take offered in the article you quoted from, that Obama’s saying “We’ve got to fix this, then we’ve got to fix that,” are you?

Obama spent much of the primaries talking about fixing the economic fundamentals; McCain’s said, something like 20 times this year, that everything’s good. That’s different.

[Dragonbones]

@Jaboney

Obama spent much of the primaries talking about fixing the economic fundamentals; McCain’s said, something like 20 times this year, that everything’s good. That’s different.

That’s how I recall it as well.

[maoman]

@Tigerman

So, McCain has been ridiculed by the liberal media and the many who have a teen girl crush on Obamessiah for making the following statement a week or so ago…

Is it possible to approve of one candidate or the other without having ones intellect called into question? Obamessiah? Teen girl crush? Honestly, you diminish yourself and your argument with that kind of dumbed-down “wit”.

[urodacus]

while the content may very well be fairly similar, as it is in america and much of the west, where the two available parties are really both centrist and there is little true uberfascism or socialism around, the two quotes belie a world of difference in their speakers handling of the language. obama is a fine orator, while McCain bumbles his way along with a tortuous shabby syntax and grammar. it’s not the main reason to vote for one or the other, but it is an indication of at least some grounds for choice, especially when one realises that the two are not light years apart on policy, as that’s impossible given the electorate they both have to appeal to.

[Chewycorns]

@urodacus

Obama is a fine orator

Not without the teleprompter he ain’t Smooth…really smooth

tw.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

@Maoman

[quote=“Tigerman”]So, McCain has been ridiculed by the liberal media and the many who have a teen girl crush on Obamessiah for making the following statement a week or so ago…

Is it possible to approve of one candidate or the other without having ones intellect called into question? Obamessiah? Teen girl crush? Honestly, you diminish yourself and your argument with that kind of dumbed-down “wit”.[/quote]

Fair point, and further grist to my mill that Chewey has taken periodic control of the normally mellow though persistent Tigerman’s account.

HG

[urodacus]

@Chewycorns

[quote=“urodacus”]Obama is a fine orator

Not without the teleprompter he ain’t :lol: Smooth…really smooth :twisted:

tw.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU[/quote]

well if that’s the case (and i don’t see it as normal) at least he has the nouse to employ far more erudite speech writers. anyway, have you not seen Palin struggle WITH a teleprompter?

[Elegua]

Obama may have been talking to his economists too much….

While it may seem like splitting hairs, the words, “long-term” do make a difference. - One can be interpreted to mean, that the fundamentals as they are right now are okay. They are not. We’ll be away from our long-term sustainable (as in non-inflationary), potential growth, for the next couple of years. However, in the long term; as in the long term non-inflationary potential growth rate; which has more to do with big I, population demographics, long-term productivity growth…etc… are okay…

[Chewycorns]

@urodacus

at least he has the nouse to employ far more erudite speech writers.

Yeah, ones that like to communicate with known terrorists…Really erudite

@No Quarter

I now have two sources confirming that Barack Obama’s Communications Director, David Axelrod has been communicating regularly with unrepentant terrorist and former member of the Weathermen, Bill Ayers, about how to respond to stories trying to report on Obama’s longstanding relationship with Ayers. One of my sources tells me that one person, a TV pundit who wishes to not be named, is talking about this without mentioning Axelrod. This person told my friend:

I predict that the howling and whining we hear from the Obama campaign about Billy Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist who bombed the US. Capitol and has been linked to candidate Obama at least for the last dozen years, will get louder, and more hysterical and more damaging because we will find that not only did Billy Ayers work closely with Barack Obama to fund left wing school schemes in the hands of Maoists (Mike Klonsky) and Neo-Stalinists (Bill Ayers) but also Billy Ayers himself, now, regularly, is talking part in strategy sessions with major Obama advisers as to how to bury the truth about the terrorist and the candidate.”

noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29 … ill-ayers/

[Poagao]

[quote=“Tigerman”]Any of you who have been to Cambodia and have gone to a market and were confronted by vendors enthusiastically trying to sell their goods to you might recognize the title of this thread…

So, McCain has been ridiculed by the liberal media and the many who have a teen girl crush on Obamessiah…[/quote]

I have great respect for you as a poster here, Tigerman, as I’ve told you in person before. However, when you try to make a persuasive argument utilizing grade-school derogatory nicknames for the person you’re discussing, it ruins any credibility you might have had; there’s not much point in reading anything further after something like that. And before you say the other side does the same thing: I agree. I just expected better from you.

[urodacus]

you make me laugh sometimes, chewy.

and you have the gall to use a quote from Arthur Calwell as your sig! that takes some balls. fan of yours?

[MikeN]

Gee, Tigerman, if you’re going to use a quote from Huffpo. why not the whole thing?

[We need] a plan that would extend expiring unemployment benefits. For those Americans who have lost their jobs and have been working hard to find a new one, but haven’t found one yet. That’s part of the change we need. And then after this immediate problem, we’ve got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows. Change means tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses that deserve it. As President I am going to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups.

Oh, look, when you don’t quote-mine, it turns out that what “long-term fundamentals” refers to is the the fundamentals of Obama’s plan, not the economy.

BTW, the title of the article that Tigerman clipped from is

“McCain ad distorts Obama”

Huffpo 1, quote-miners 0

[elektronisk]

I am disappointed in almost all of the threads about the American presidential election.

If America is the global leader it inherently should show the way. It has not. It has selected a 72 year old (John McCain) establishment politician (26 years) to compete with a senator (Barack Obama) with four years of experience for the post of the leader of the country (FREE WORLD). The “next person in charge” (VP) is another establishment politician Joe Biden (36 years) and (Sarah Palin) a governor of a dislocated state for less than two years. They are the same sum. Old politics plus inexperience.

You all should quit your partisan bickering and look at the real situation.

America has not chosen a candidate suitable of leading the world. As a result America should not be given the honor of being the de facto title of world leader.

[Mother_Theresa]

@Chewycorns

[quote=“urodacus”] at least he has the nouse to employ far more erudite speech writers.

Yeah, ones that like to communicate with known terrorists [former member of the Weathermen, Bill Ayers]…Really erudite [/quote]

That’s called a SMEAR.

You forgot to mention that Obama was 8 years old when the Weathermen were active, Ayers was never convicted of any crime, never served any sentence, is a tenured professor and respected member of society making many positive contributions in the areas of education, democracy and social justice, and there’s no evidence that he ever had any sort of a friendship or relationship with Obama, except for both having served on the Board of the same charitable organization, the Woods Fund.

If that’s the best you can do, one can only conclude that you don’t have much faith in the other candidate or any desire to engage in rational discussion based on facts.

[urodacus]

but that doesn’t cut any Republican ice, MT. once a terrorist, always a terrorist. the sins of the father, etc. you can’t change a leopard’s spots. except for the Klansmen. they’ve all reformed, and according to others, there’s no racist input into the republican party now, or at least no more than into the democrats. No sirree.

see? a smear for a smear. isn’t that the time honoured Hammurabic way?

PS i don’t actually mean that there are racists in the Republican party, I’m just adding to the debate here with a viewpoint i often see from Republicans. We see the same thing from many commentators, where they pour scorn and derision on opponents while completely ignoring the beam in their own eye.

[Tigerman]

@MikeN

Gee, Tigerman, if you’re going to use a quote from Huffpo. why not the whole thing?

Because it wasn’t all relevant.

But, OK, if you want to quote the entire thing… let’s see (the portion I ommitted is in color):

@Obamessiah

[color=#0000FF][We need] a plan that would extend expiring unemployment benefits.[/color] For those Americans who have lost their jobs and have been working hard to find a new one, but haven’t found one yet. That’s part of the change we need. And then after this immediate problem, we’ve got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows. Change means tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses that deserve it. [color=#0000FF]As President I am going to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups[/color].

@MikeN

Oh, look, when you don’t quote-mine, it turns out that what “long-term fundamentals” refers to is the the fundamentals of Obama’s plan, not the economy.

I don’t read it that way. I think it is clear that Obama is referring to the fundamentals of the economy.

[quote=“MikeN”]BTW, the title of the article that Tigerman clipped from is

“McCain ad distorts Obama”[/quote]

That’s right. I don’t mind using a cite from a partisan site to illustrate a point.

[Tigerman]

Obama’s Gonna Change the World

We Got The Mo, For Barak Obama

I’ve Got a Crush on Obama

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

So your main objection to the man is that other people like him?

Hg