Hi,
I recently started working for a new school and we’re going through the usual paperwork to get me settled. They’ve asked for my wife’s ID(who is Taiwanese) in conjunction with mine. I’ve worked for other schools in the past and never had this request. Upon asking for a reason, they merely said “because you’re holding a spousal arc”. Seems to me like there should be a better explanation than that.
Is that normal? Legal even?
If you’re holding a spousal ARC, it’s usually because your spouse is Taiwanese.
A spousal ARC is still an ARC, unless it’s been canceled. I’m sure there is a perfectly efficient means to cancel it and get you thrown out of Taiwan if need be. They would still need to get you a work permit, wouldn’t they?
I would just agree, then repeatedly “forget” to bring it. Non-confrontational but effective, usually. They don’t need it by law AFAIK (though things do change). Are you sure they didn’t want your spouse’s national ID card instead? (Still probably dodgy and not required, but at least more logical…?)
You BOTH have ARCs? So neither of you are locals? Is that right? In which case, if you’re here because your wife has a work-related ARC and you have a spousal ARC based on her work rights, then you DO NOT have work rights, you only have the right to stay here, but not work.
If you want to work, then I believe (but I could very well be wrong, so don’t quote me!) that you have to go through the whole resident-visa-based-on-work-permit rigmarole, just like your wife presumably had to do. Your work rights are NOT dependent on your relationship with your wife, if she’s not a Taiwanese citizen, that’s for sure.
If she IS a Taiwanese citizen then she won’t have an ARC, she’ll have a national ID card, and her details should be embedded in your spousal ARC. Either way, there should be no need for your wife to supply any information at all.
I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape on this – it is 99% certain that this is simply a case of the school not being familiar with the law – their job is to wrangle money out of gullible parents, not to be expert administrators, don’t forget!
[quote=“sandman”]You BOTH have ARCs? So neither of you are locals? Is that right? In which case, if you’re here because your wife has a work-related ARC and you have a spousal ARC based on her work rights, then you DO NOT have work rights, you only have the right to stay here, but not work.
If you want to work, then I believe (but I could very well be wrong, so don’t quote me!) that you have to go through the whole resident-visa-based-on-work-permit rigmarole, just like your wife presumably had to do. Your work rights are NOT dependent on your relationship with your wife, if she’s not a Taiwanese citizen, that’s for sure.
If she IS a Taiwanese citizen then she won’t have an ARC, she’ll have a national ID card, and her details should be embedded in your spousal ARC. Either way, there should be no need for your wife to supply any information at all.
I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape on this – it is 99% certain that this is simply a case of the school not being familiar with the law – their job is to wrangle money out of gullible parents, not to be expert administrators, don’t forget![/quote]
Sorry, I used the wrong term for my wife’s ID 
. She is a local. I have a JFRV. From what I understand, a foreigner holding a JFRV is legally permitted to work any job on the island without sponsorship from a company. This school is fairly large, international actually, and well-known. I guess I just figured it was unnecessary to supply her ID when mine clearly has the information they need. I pressed the issue again, and their second response was this
“In regards to your spouse’s ID, we really need you to provide that piece of document. This is because when the Labor Bureau performs the random checks at the branch, they ask for that information. We need to provide your ARC along with your spouse’s ID to prove that you are actually married and to prove that we are a legally operating company.”
It’s not a big deal, really. I just wasn’t sure if it was a legal requirement as I’ve never had this happen in the past and recently, I’ve been encountering a number of ridiculous “policy” based requests from different companies regarding my ARC that seem like BS.
Go to 7=!!..Make an slightly enlarged copy of the wifes ID card…Carefully write COPY across the image…give them that.
That is all you have to do.
added:
Make a few copys of this in case you need it in the future.
Your boss is wrong, but whatever. Your ARC has your wife’s name right on it, in the same spot where work permit people have their employer listed.
The Labor Bureau will spot it instantly when they check your ARC.
Your boss is wrong, but whatever. Your ARC has your wife’s name right on it, in the same spot where work permit people have their employer listed.
The Labor Bureau will spot it instantly when they check your ARC.[/quote]
saddletramp is right.
Just say that your wife’s name is on your ARC and that she does not want you to give anyone a copy of her ID card because she is afraid of scammers (zha4pian5 ji2tuan2). This is not just an excuse. It’s common sense.
[quote][quote]You BOTH have ARCs? So neither of you are locals? Is that right? In which case, if you’re here because your wife has a work-related ARC and you have a spousal ARC based on her work rights, then you DO NOT have work rights, you only have the right to stay here, but not work.
If you want to work, then I believe (but I could very well be wrong, so don’t quote me!) that you have to go through the whole resident-visa-based-on-work-permit rigmarole, just like your wife presumably had to do. Your work rights are NOT dependent on your relationship with your wife, if she’s not a Taiwanese citizen, that’s for sure.
If she IS a Taiwanese citizen then she won’t have an ARC, she’ll have a national ID card, and her details should be embedded in your spousal ARC. Either way, there should be no need for your wife to supply any information at all.
I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape on this – it is 99% certain that this is simply a case of the school not being familiar with the law – their job is to wrangle money out of gullible parents, not to be expert administrators, don’t forget![/quote]
Sorry, I used the wrong term for my wife’s ID . She is a local. I have a JFRV. From what I understand, a foreigner holding a JFRV is legally permitted to work any job on the island without sponsorship from a company. This school is fairly large, international actually, and well-known. I guess I just figured it was unnecessary to supply her ID when mine clearly has the information they need. I pressed the issue again, and their second response was this
“In regards to your spouse’s ID, we really need you to provide that piece of document. This is because when the Labor Bureau performs the random checks at the branch, they ask for that information. We need to provide your ARC along with your spouse’s ID to prove that you are actually married and to prove that we are a legally operating company.”
It’s not a big deal, really. I just wasn’t sure if it was a legal requirement as I’ve never had this happen in the past and recently, I’ve been encountering a number of ridiculous “policy” based requests from different companies regarding my ARC that seem like BS.[/quote]
Maybe your employer just can’t believe that someone married your sorry ass!
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My your employer just can’t believe that someone married your sorry ass![/quote]
I wouldn’t put it past them. After all, I ain’t white. 
Wonder if there’s any documentation to support what we all believe to be true. Think I might give immigration a call and find out.
Your wife’s name is on your card under the heading “Purpose of residence” It should say 依 yi1親ching1- 妻qi1-and her name.
There is no need to give them her ID. It says (translated) related to - wife - and her name.
Now they may be concerned that the person you are married to is not Taiwanese, but I also find that a little strange.
I’ve had plenty of bizzarre requests in my time, and the only ones I bother to fight are the ones where they involving tax. This is just a case of someone not knowing the law properly and trying to cover his arse. It may not be ‘necessary’ to give them anything, but you’re dealing with some petty bureaucrat who makes the rules. If you don’t keep them happy then they might explain that without the proper paperwork they can’t take a chance on hiring you.
Is it worth making a big deal about it?
I am having the same problem now…the school asked me for my household registry/ID or whatever. i tried to explain to them that all my info is on my JFRV /ARC card but they insisted that i should bring it…well i perceived they want to be pretty sure we are married or whatever their reasons might be…iam not worried about it…
It does not matter if you are worried about it or not.
It’s just a violation of your personal rights. Being personally affected by this kind of bullshit for many years now, it simply pisses me off reading posts like this.
Are you a married man/woman or a frog sitting on your wifes back waiting to find the right moment to sperm up.
Ridiculous these people!
You are holding an ARC that permits you to take any employment and that should be enough. Households registry? Sorry but it’s time to speak up and claim our rights.
Oh, and if you wonder why I am so angry reading this, here is my very own rant on being married in this country.
http://www.taiwan-taipei.com/index.php?com=site&temp=38&lang_id=2&command=site&x=0
I think that’s rather uncharitable of you. I have met dozens of foreigners on this island who have worked at literally hundreds of educational establishments and I’m pretty sure one of them said he’d heard there’s a professional outfit somewhere here.