[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]SAF, please read a little that’s passed first.
As for the notion the foreskin is a pointless bit of skin, it does in fact have a role to play in sexual enjoyment. The rise in modern use of male circumcision was also in part a desire to limit masturbation.
I see no difference in the attempts to justify male circumcision on the west with the justifications used by sub-Saharan Africans to mutilate their kiddies. They hold equally as dearly to their misguided explanations.
HG[/quote]
Never stopped me
Well, at risk of turning this sectarian… …you come from across the street and can’t wear a hat on your john thomas (meaning of life)
When a man converts to Islam or Judaism, and is already circumcised, it is common practice to take a symbolic drop of blood from his penis. From a religious perspective, male circumcision itself is a symbolic act of submitting to God. Taking a drop of blood fulfills this symbolic aspect of the conversion experience, despite the fact the convert is already technically circumcised. Female circumcision, on the other hand, is not a religious event. I have never heard of a drop of blood being taken instead of full removal of the clitoris and external labia, and I cannot imagine what it might symbolize. Is it possible you have confused these two traditions?
If you are certain that full removal is extremely rare, could you please provide some links?
There are four types of female circumcision, lopping the clit off is but one. Far more common is lopping off the clitoral hood, which is exactly the same as male circumcision.
However:
[quote]Type IV: Other types
Other forms are collectively referred to as Type IV and usually do not involve any tissue removal at all, but rather the “cutting” is simulated with a knife as part of a ceremony. This includes a diverse range of practices, including pricking the clitoris with needles, burning or scarring the genitals as well as ripping or tearing of the vagina or introducing herbs into the vagina to cause bleeding and a narrowed vaginal opening (ref). Type IV is found primarily among isolated ethnic groups as well as in combination with other types.[/quote]
[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]There are four types of female circumcision, lopping the clit off is but one. Far more common is lopping off the clitoral hood, which is exactly the same as male circumcision.
However:
[quote]Type IV: Other types
Other forms are collectively referred to as Type IV and usually do not involve any tissue removal at all, but rather the “cutting” is simulated with a knife as part of a ceremony. This includes a diverse range of practices, including pricking the clitoris with needles, burning or scarring the genitals as well as ripping or tearing of the vagina or introducing herbs into the vagina to cause bleeding and a narrowed vaginal opening (ref). Type IV is found primarily among isolated ethnic groups as well as in combination with other types.[/quote]
HG[/quote]
Isolated ethnic groups. Sounds like a minority of cases then. Not trying to call you out here man, I just want to emphasize the seriousness of this issue. There are numerous human rights groups in areas of the world that continue to practice FGM that have been campaigning to it for at least 25 years. And I mean both local (including Muslim women’s groups) and international.
I know of at least one Indian imam who have been traveling all over the Muslim world for several years, preaching at mosques, giving lectures, and working with human rights groups. I saw one of his speeches online once and was very impressed. While there are Muslim clerics who support the practice as conducive to protecting a woman’s honor, there are many who are deeply opposed.
And I’m no medical expert, but I would think that removing the clitoral hood would deprive a woman of a great deal of pleasure. And that is the idea by the way. To take away a woman’s ability to feel pleasure so she won’t have sex outside of marry and sully the community’s honor. Another pre-Islamic practice, honor killing, is usually the result when such a thing happens.
More absolute sickness and insanity. What’s it going to take?
Death of 12-year-old girl shocks Egypt
Prompts ban on female circumcision
[quote]CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - A 13-year-old Egyptian girl died during a circumcision operation, the second such case reported over the past two months, local media said Saturday.
The doctor involved has been referred to the state prosecutor for investigation and his clinic in the rural Gharbiyah province has been closed down, state-owned al-Gomhoria daily reported.
The earlier death of a 12-year-old girl during a circumcision operation in June sparked a public outcry and prompted the government to officially ban hospitals from performing the traditional procedure which is widespread throughout Egypt.
The latest death was uncovered when Karima Rahim Massoud’s father applied on Friday for a death certificate, insisting his daughter had died from natural causes, reported the independent daily Al-Masry Al-Youm. The father has also been referred to the prosecutor.
Female genital mutilation usually involves the removal of the clitoris and other parts of female genitalia on the grounds it tames girl’s sexual desire and maintains her honour.
It is practiced by Muslims and Christians alike, deeply rooted in the Nile Valley region and parts of sub-Saharan African, and is also done in Yemen and Oman.
While top clerics insist the practice has nothing to do with Islam, parents, especially in rural villages and Cairo slums, believe they are helping their daughters by protecting their virginity before marriage.
A 2003 survey by UNICEF said that 97 per cent of married women in Egypt have undergone genital mutilation. A recent study by Egypt’s Ministry of Health and Population found that only half of all girls between the age of 10-18 years have been circumcised.[/quote]
…you come from across the street and can’t wear a hat on your john thomas (meaning of life)
