Sea Kayaking - Sailing Club

Recreation Sports
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Never met a boat I didn’t like, though I do get snobby about the pedigree of the manufacturer at times. I think that all jetski/personal watercrap-type things should be placed in a big pile and burned, and their owners drawn and quartered… just my opinion, not that I want to cast any aspersions. :wink:
I also love to kayak, but sold all my boats when I moved to the UK in '94. In the links to the kayak club I saw a lot of rotomolded plastic banana type boats. Is that what’s popular here? Any good 'glass or kevlar boats for rent anywhere?

bobl, what design are you building? I can’t figure it out. It’s either a Patuxent light Craft Tred Avon, or it’s some sort of sneak box, or I give up.

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Close Salvatore, It’s a Mill Creek 16.5 by CLC, same people that did the Patuxent. A bit heavier than the ones I built in the states but not bad. When I started it I could’t find 4-6 oz. glass, but now I can get the lighter glass from a surf board factory.

Actually, since I want to sail it as well the extra weight won’t hurt.

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What’s the sail rig? sprit rig, leg-o-mutton or some other type of loose-footed sail? Lateen? or just plain old fore and aft? I didn’t see a centerboard/daggerboard trunk, so are you using leeboards or something?

EDIT:
Answered my own question: Gaff rig. Looks mighty tender I have to say.

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It uses a leeboard. In addition to the gaff rig, you could also fly an Optimist pram, cat rig, or windsurf rig.
If you want to go bigger, you can also build outriggers, which gives it a 10 ft beam. I have the plans for the sail rig but I haven’t started it yet.
In a lake, the gaff or pram rig is fine, but to go in the big pond, I need to do the outriggers.

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In the Taidong clubs, they mostly have Cobra or Viking banana boats. George, the guy running Kayak Motion club here, has a nice glass touring yak, but I don’t think he rents it out to strangers.

Your welcome to use mine. I will have my second one finished in a few weeks.

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[quote]93.02.11 交通部令：訂定「水域遊憩活動管理辦法」
第 3 條 本辦法所稱水域遊憩活動，指在水域從事下列活動：
一、游泳、衝浪、潛水。
二、操作乘騎風浪板、滑水板、拖曳傘、水上摩托車、獨木舟、泛舟艇、香蕉船等各類器具之活動。
三、其他經主管機關公告之水域遊憩活動。
第 8 條 從事水域遊憩活動，應遵守下列事項：
一、不得違背水域管理機關禁止活動區域之公告。
二、不得違背水域管理機關對活動種類、範圍、時間及行為之限制公告。
三、不得從事有礙公共安全或危害他人之活動。
四、不得污染水質、破壞自然環境及天然景觀。
五、不得吸食毒品、迷幻物品或濫用管制藥品。
第 21 條 所稱獨木舟活動，指利用具狹長船體構造，不具動力推進，而用槳划動操作器具進行之水上活動。
第 22 條 從事獨木舟活動，不得單人單艘進行，並應穿著救生衣，救生衣上應附有口哨。
第 23 條 從事獨木舟活動之經營業者，應遵守下列規定：
一、應備置具救援及通報機制之無線通訊器材，並指定帶客者攜帶之。
二、帶客從事獨木舟活動，應編組進行，並有一人為領隊，每組以二十人或十艘獨木舟為上限。
三、帶客從事獨木舟活動者，應充分熟悉活動區域之情況，並確實告知活動者，告知事項至少應包括活動時間之限制、水流流速、危險區域及生態保育觀念與規定。
四、每次活動應攜帶救生浮標。
第 24 條 所稱泛舟活動，係於河川水域操作充氣式橡皮艇進行之水上活動。

小船管理規則 (民國 93 年 04 月 19 日 修正)
第 2 條 本規則所稱小船，為總噸位未滿五十噸之非動力船舶，或總噸位未滿二十噸之動力船舶。非動力船舶裝有可移動之推進機械者，視同動力船舶。
第 3 條 本規則所稱主管機關，依船舶法第六十二條規定，為小船所在地之航政主管機關，未設置航政機關之地區，為當地地方政府。
第 10 條 具有特殊設計、型式、結構或裝備小船，未能適用本規則規定者，由主管機關依其實際情況報請交通部專案核定之。
第 10- 1 條 專供競賽或運動使用之下列非動力小船，得免除檢查、丈量：
一 長度未滿十八公尺之龍舟、獨木舟。
二 長度未滿五公尺之帆船。

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Beware sometimes the coastal patrol will crack down on you. About two years ago there was a stupid regulation enacted to ban certain marine activities. But the patrol basically won’t give you fine tickets as there is no solid laws to back up this ban. Normally we just ignore them when we are already on the water because it’s not worthy for them to send out a speed boat to catch you back on land. But, if you encounter the patrol on land they would try not to let you get in the water.

This summer we were kayaking to Keelung Island and the coastal patroal were trying to keep us away from landing because we did not have the “document” to land on the pier.

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[quote=“Kevin”]Beware sometimes the coastal patrol will crack down on you. About two years ago there was a stupid regulation enacted to ban certain marine activities. But the patrol basically won’t give you fine tickets as there is no solid laws to back up this ban. Normally we just ignore them when we are already on the water because it’s not worthy for them to send out a speed boat to catch you back on land. But, if you encounter the patrol on land they would try not to let you get in the water.

This summer we were kayaking to Keelung (Jilong) Island and the coastal patroal were trying to keep us away from landing because we did not have the “document” to land on the pier.[/quote]

Kevin, I’m sure the Coast Guard told you what you stated, but there is no law banning Sea kayaks.You do have to form or join an official club to keep them off your back. The law for boat clubs is posted above. Sorry it is in Chinese but you should keep a copy to show Mr. Coast Guard, policeman or whoever in the future.

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Thanks, bobl, we had copied it and confronted with the patrol a couple of times.

Most of the coast guards have no idea what the regulations are all about and they simply don’t want any possible trouble/accident happened in their managed area, and that’s why they are chasing kayakers or scuba divers away even there is no regulation banning kayaking. I hope they can be smarter about what they’ve been doing and understand that martial laws have been lifted, so that we wouldn’t lose so much of beauty in Taiwan. Just like mountain biking, some trails are closed for funny reasons and we always have to sneak in.

Nothing sorry about Chinese copy, I am from Taiwan.

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Kevin wrote:

Cool, maybe you could tell me what it says.
:slight_smile:

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I am so lazy but, one funny regulation in the above says…
“No drugs allowed for any marine activities”

:laughing:

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[quote=“bobl”]
Basicily it states that when you are a member of the club you may: Have a non powered craft 5 meter or less (sail or rowing boat)
or a du mu jiu (kayak or canoe) 15 meters or less. You do not need to register the boat.[/quote]

A 15 metre canoe? Thats a pretty long canoe, and could give you quite a bit of scope for development, depending on how tightly Canoe/kayak is defined. Are sailing canoes/kayaks allowed?

Edit: Duh, on reflection I guess this means “Dragon Boat”, but its still just possible that the regulations don’t restrict you to that. How about “double canoes” (i.e. catamarans)?

There’s a windsurfing club on Anping beach near Tainan that I did a beginners course with last year. I’ve seen Hobbies, Optimists, and a couple of Lazers there at various times.

Friendly bunch, but I havn’t been back this year, partly because I havn’t had much time, but also because the beach area (and the semi-natural strip of woodland behind it, a very rare asset in SW Taiwan) have been largely destroyed this year by “development”

Large chunks of the woodland have been felled, the natural undergrowth cleared and replaced with exotic planting, and lots of boardwalks and concrete seating put in for the sea views so created. Nature as landscape design. The wind has then picked up the beach and pushed it through the gaps created in the windbreak woodland, smothering the remaining undergrowth in sand, entirely predictable, but infuriating. All they had to do was leave it the f**k alone.

The beach opposite the sailing club is being “reclaimed” by sand pumped from the excavation of a new harbour entrance, so the sea gets further away all the time and the shore quite steep-to and unstable. The club have got a tracked vehicle to get them to the water meantime, but I suspect the sea is going to end up behind a concrete seawall along most of this stretch of coast, and the club may be doomed. There was a map on a sign (which I couldn’t read, and which has now gone) that seemed to confirm this. Word is the new harbour entrance is for fishing boats, though the fleets in decline and I suspect marinas/yachts may be envisaged.

Even in the club I couldn’t detect any resentment at all this. I can’t imagine any authority in the West getting away with destroying the public beach near a major city, and the last vestige of semi-natural woodland, without triggering some protests. Here it just seems to be accepted.

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