Sean landed in Taipei yesterday just in time for the Rally

Yesterday’s Taipei Hsieh Rally (I’ve got photos and videos, I’ll put them up after I return from a trip to Taichung today) had what looked like over a million people. I began to guess-timate and even then I lost track. You could see hundreds of thousands of supporters spilling out into the horizon.

Of course TVBS said both Blues and Greens were somehow equal in number but the footage they showed spelled out a different story. Then they began to play earlier footage for the Blues after the people dispersed by the Hsieh campaign just began.

BTW, I should be around Taipei for most of my time here this month, if anyone wants to meet up let me know.

I’ll be interested to see your pics. I briefly checked out both the DPP and KMT rallies and to my eyes, there were a lot more people at the KMT one. I was there early, so perhaps the bulk of DPP supporters arrived later than the KMT supporters.

I think that whole high-five thing kept the cool people away.

You got that right. I had to drive past the DPP thing on Hsinsheng yesterday and the crowd did indeed seem to be made up of the very knuckle-draggingest sheeple you could ever hope to see, all with their silly backward hats on.
Definitely one of the silliest, most pathetic things I’ve seen here to date.

I’ve got a DPP campaign office around the corner from my house and they were making a heck of a lot of noise yesterday.

I’m fairly happy with the DPP t-shirt, it’s nice and inscrutable. The paper hats were very disappointing though, nowhere near the standard of the South Park A-Bian hats they gave out last time.

Who’s Sean?
And why is his name in the title?
Is this some sad take on:
“George is getting Upset!”

Maybe he is trying to out himself…
Is that a bannable offense? outing oneself.

[quote=“TheGingerMan”]Who’s Sean?
And why is his name in the title?
Is this some sad take on:
“George is getting Upset!”[/quote]
I think everyone pretty much knows who I am, I’ve not kept my identity hidden what-so-ever.

[quote=“AC Dropout”]
Maybe he is trying to out himself…
Is that a bannable offense? outing oneself.[/quote]
So if AC Dropout is seriously proposing that “outing myself” is “bannable”, I counter-propose that on his next offense he get suspended for more than just 2 weeks. After all AC Dropout has been suspended many times from Forumosa. When I first lurked here I used to think “Star Chamber” was a special tag just for him, it would appear every few weeks.

[quote=“cfimages”]
…so perhaps the bulk of DPP supporters arrived later than the KMT supporters.[/quote]
This would seem correct, the Hsieh supporters seemed to have fully coalesced around 2-4pm. I just got back from TaiChung (its 1:41 am) so I’ll post pics up later. I even have a few videos.

You’re being sarcastic right? The high-five thing was actually done by a ton of the youth. They also built this huge “Trojan Ma” that TVBS seemed to have failed to fully show (especially the size) out of some sort of foolish fear of something.
Anyway if it comes to an election, statistically speaking, there are only so many “cool people”. For instance, I’d rather take a plain-spoken administrator whom has shown real change under his leadership rather than a “cool looking dude” that has managed to kill Taipei’s oldest night-market, seriously damaged the computer market, has admitted to funneling money, and so forth.

[quote=“ShrimpCrackers”][quote=“TheGingerMan”]Who’s Sean?
And why is his name in the title?
Is this some sad take on:
“George is getting Upset!”[/quote]
I think everyone pretty much knows who I am, I’ve not kept my identity hidden what-so-ever.

[quote=“AC Dropout”]
Maybe he is trying to out himself…
Is that a bannable offense? outing oneself.[/quote]
So if AC Dropout is seriously proposing that “outing myself” is “bannable”, I counter-propose that on his next offense he get suspended for more than just 2 weeks. After all AC Dropout has been suspended many times from Forumosa. When I first lurked here I used to think “Star Chamber” was a special tag just for him, it would appear every few weeks.

[quote=“cfimages”]
…so perhaps the bulk of DPP supporters arrived later than the KMT supporters.[/quote]
This would seem correct, the Hsieh supporters seemed to have fully coalesced around 2-4pm. I just got back from Taichung (its 1:41 am) so I’ll post pics up later. I even have a few videos.

You’re being sarcastic right? The high-five thing was actually done by a ton of the youth. They also built this huge “Trojan Ma” that TVBS seemed to have failed to fully show (especially the size) out of some sort of foolish fear of something.
Anyway if it comes to an election, statistically speaking, there are only so many “cool people”. For instance, I’d rather take a plain-spoken administrator whom has shown real change under his leadership rather than a “cool looking dude” that has managed to kill Taipei’s oldest night-market, seriously damaged the computer market, has admitted to funneling money, and so forth.[/quote]

Trojen Ma! Now, that’s cool!

TVBS is the less accurate news out there, the estimated the “Down Abian” at 1.5 million people at one point. -.-

Ma is just too cool to be president.

You got that right. I had to drive past the DPP thing on Xinsheng yesterday and the crowd did indeed seem to be made up of the very knuckle-draggingest sheeple you could ever hope to see, all with their silly backward hats on.
Definitely one of the silliest, most pathetic things I’ve seen here to date.[/quote]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?

[quote=“TaipeiDawg”]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?[/quote]

Republican Conventions in the US. UK Conservative Party conferences in Blackpool. I’m sure these conventions would have what you are describing above.

[quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“TaipeiDawg”]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?[/quote]

Republican Conventions in the US. UK Conservative Party conferences in Blackpool. I’m sure these conventions would have what you are describing above.[/quote]

I’ve got a felt-tip pen that flows as fast as the racial epithets at a GOP event. Since when did “fashionably dressed” mean white sheets and pointy hats?

[quote=“mofangongren”][quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“TaipeiDawg”]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?[/quote]

Republican Conventions in the US. UK Conservative Party conferences in Blackpool. I’m sure these conventions would have what you are describing above.[/quote]

I’ve got a felt-tip pen that flows as fast as the racial epithets at a GOP event. Since when did “fashionably dressed” mean white sheets and pointy hats?[/quote]

Remember whom we are talking to here, Chewy is a guy whom wrote here that he hates the DPP because he was offended by a small minority within the party. I mean the majority of Americans and other friends we have in Taiwan are very cool people, but I have met a minority of jerks as well. They’re a minority so I won’t put all friends of Taiwan in the same lump as a result.

How do we know he wasn’t fired because of his personality or his ability? I think the fact that the DPP does employ other non-Asians in their cadre, that also happen to be satisfied with their work, is proof enough that it wasn’t due to Chewy’s race that they let him go.

In the end Chewy compares the Republican Convention (such as at Javitz Center in NYC) to a street rally. Doesn’t that show a lack of ability of putting things into context fairly? This evidently goes beyond rationality and is now just simply barely hidden hate.

Yeah sure, the DPP are guilty of using identity politics a bit too much. That doesn’t make them guilty of everything.

[quote=“mofangongren”][quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“TaipeiDawg”]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?[/quote]

Republican Conventions in the US. UK Conservative Party conferences in Blackpool. I’m sure these conventions would have what you are describing above.[/quote]

I’ve got a felt-tip pen that flows as fast as the racial epithets at a GOP event. Since when did “fashionably dressed” mean white sheets and pointy hats?[/quote]

Remember whom we are talking to here, Chewy is a guy whom wrote here that he hates the DPP because he was offended by a small minority within the party. I mean the majority of Americans and other friends we have in Taiwan are very cool people, but I have met a minority of jerks as well. They’re a minority so I won’t put all friends of Taiwan in the same lump as a result.

How do we know he wasn’t fired because of his personality or his ability? I think the fact that the DPP does employ other non-Asians in their cadre, that also happen to be satisfied with their work, is proof enough that it wasn’t due to Chewy’s race that they let him go.

In the end Chewy compares the Republican Convention (such as at Javitz Center in NYC) to a street rally. Doesn’t that show a lack of ability of putting things into context fairly? This evidently goes beyond rationality and is now just simply barely hidden hate.

Yeah sure, the DPP are guilty of using identity politics a bit too much. That doesn’t make them guilty of everything.

Whatever… the Dems are the party with the race problem right now. The Clintons and their supporters have been playing the race card quite a bit. Quite nasty, really.

Given the massive support that Democratics are showing for Obama, I’m not sure how one can conclude that Dems have a ‘race problem’. If the Clintons have been playing a race card, that does not equate to a general ‘race problem’ for Dems as a party.

[quote=“ShrimpCrackers”][quote=“mofangongren”][quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“TaipeiDawg”]
Happen to attend any political rallies lately that were composed of a bunch of charming, fashionably dressed, highly evolved intellectuals?[/quote]

Republican Conventions in the US. UK Conservative Party conferences in Blackpool. I’m sure these conventions would have what you are describing above.[/quote]

I’ve got a felt-tip pen that flows as fast as the racial epithets at a GOP event. Since when did “fashionably dressed” mean white sheets and pointy hats?[/quote]

Remember whom we are talking to here, Chewy is a guy whom wrote here that he hates the DPP because he was offended by a small minority within the party. I mean the majority of Americans and other friends we have in Taiwan are very cool people, but I have met a minority of jerks as well. They’re a minority so I won’t put all friends of Taiwan in the same lump as a result.

How do we know he wasn’t fired because of his personality or his ability? I think the fact that the DPP does employ other non-Asians in their cadre, that also happen to be satisfied with their work, is proof enough that it wasn’t due to Chewy’s race that they let him go.

In the end Chewy compares the Republican Convention (such as at Javitz Center in NYC) to a street rally. Doesn’t that show a lack of ability of putting things into context fairly? This evidently goes beyond rationality and is now just simply barely hidden hate.

Yeah sure, the DPP are guilty of using identity politics a bit too much. That doesn’t make them guilty of everything.[/quote]

Conventions are still political rallies are they not? Cadre? Just complete your second-year university political science class? :laughing: If you know any history about political conventions, you’d know that there are often just as many rallies and/or interesting events going on outside of the convention. People don’t just congregate inside the whole time.

That’s a nasty personal attack above. Where was I attacking the DPP? I certainly don’t hate all people within one political party or another. I have friends that are deep green and deep blue and all shades in between. I have nothing but great things to say about the first round of DPP political appointments at my old position. It’s the deep green appointments with little “real life” experience that I dislike. What is bad about disliking political cronyism and preferring meritocracy? With meritocracy, shouldn’t one rely on evaluations as a strong indicator of performance? If you receive excellent evaluations with Chinese chops (always 4/5 or better) and receive excellent letters of reference (two pages long from a minister) but are treated poorly by new deep green political appointments, shouldn’t one protest? I sure think so. So did a lot of pro-blue and pro-green moderates I worked with. Anyways that’s old news.

In any case, I’m apolitical about the upcoming election. I don’t care who wins. Hsieh is moderate DPP. Ma is moderate KMT. I think Ma will win, but I can’t honestly say one would be better than the other (although I support the foreign policy of the DPP more, economics and internationalization issues–the KMT).

You, of any people, should understand this duality. After all, you mentioned to me before that your father knew Lien Chan before the martial law era ended and supported Li Ao in the years before democratization (who has long supported reunification and was jailed for his beliefs). What are you? Just another spoiled rich kid from New York that is rebelling against the politics of his parents? :laughing: How bloody boring and petty bourgeois is that? :smiling_imp:

Taiwanese are fed up with the lack of results and will show their displeasure at the ballot box next week. It’s their right and the results of the election will only strengthen Taiwan’s democracy (and further contrast it to the mainland). A transition of power from one party and vice versa is a healthy thing, wouldn’tyou say?

Shame on you for getting personal when my last post wasn’t even meant as an attack in any shape or form on the DPP. Not suprised though by your nasty tactics. Reminds me of Hsieh’s attacks over Ma’s green card (which I suppose he launched to firm up the deep green base). A low cheapshot. Nice. :unamused:

The Dems are not giving Obama massive support. He has a lead that some say is insurmountable, but others still say Clinton can win. Clinton has won the biggest states and she will win Pennsylvania, also. And probably PR.

If somehow Clinton wins the nomination, the Dems may well see many blacks not voting. This would be a problem.

In any event, as between the GOP and the Dems at this moment, it is the Dems with the race problem, not the GOP.