# Share your Taiwan Salary Anonymously **URL:** \ **Category:** Working in Taiwan\ **Tags:** wages\ **Created:** [August 26, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852 "2020-08-26T01:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![afterspivak](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@afterspivak](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/afterspivak)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/381 "2021-07-09T01:04:11Z")
> [@nz](#): > > study abroad in Australia (as 30+ y/o adults) for years while they learn zero English Be nice! If you’re softer with people here, they will appreciate it. Guy ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/382 "2021-07-09T01:41:03Z")
> [@MadamBroccoli](#): > > the lower the pay, the nastier the work culture my field has a technical term for this: > **[Sayre's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_law)** > > Sayre's law states, in a formulation quoted by Charles Philip Issawi: "In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." By way of corollary, it adds: "That is why academic politics are so bitter." Sayre's law is named after Wallace Stanley Sayre (1905–1972), U.S. political scientist and professor at Columbia University. > On 20 December 1973, the Wall Street Journal quoted Sayre as: "Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of pol... ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/383 "2021-07-09T02:16:59Z")
> [@nz](#): > > I never share my salary with anyone anymore The golden rule I learned the hard way after a few years in Taiwan. The problem was that in local SMEs your earnings somehow got leaked anyway . Working in Taiwan businesses was hard enough but then when they found out you made more than them…Wow…Wee. They weren’t there when the boss slyly didn’t give you the bonus at CNY in an effort to claw back your ‘inflated earnings’ or when the boss deducted a big part of your daily earnings because you were over 5 mins late clocking in. Fortunately I work for an Intl org almost everything goes through a 3rd party accounting firm . Thank God. ---
**Author:** ![amitkattal](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/amitkattal/32/179602_2.png) [@amitkattal](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/amitkattal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/384 "2021-07-09T02:42:11Z")
Since i make less than most taiwanese in my compnay, Whenever someone asked about my salary and i tell them, its like their whole reality has been destroyed. "A foreigner earning less than us? how come? "I love that look on their faces ---
**Author:** ![nz](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@nz](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/nz)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2021, 2:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/385 "2021-07-09T02:49:59Z")
> [@afterspivak](#): > > > [@nz](#): > > > > study abroad in Australia (as 30+ y/o adults) for years while they learn zero English > > Be nice! > > If you’re softer with people here, they will appreciate it. > > Guy I’d be nicer if they didn’t spend a lot of energy trying to convince me that Taiwanese people understand English grammar better than English speakers and therefore they are better at English than I give them credit for…after they spent 4 years getting a masters degree in a course that was entirely in English and still won’t carry on said conversation in English. ---
**Author:** ![MadamBroccoli](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MadamBroccoli](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/MadamBroccoli)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 8:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/386 "2021-07-13T08:20:12Z")
Omg that’s so true. I’ve got bushibans asking me if I know any grammar because I am fluent in English = = wtf But it’s not like there are no non native speakers trying argue about Mandarin pronunciation with me. People are people. It’s just that you don’t have as much chance to talk about a different language with native English speakers. I wonder if anyone has talked about their salary with their colleagues in their own country. Is it really like that YouTube clip, or is it the same as here? ---
**Author:** ![Darkesontr](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Darkesontr](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Darkesontr)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/387 "2021-07-13T09:40:51Z")
Wow, just took a look at the spreadsheet. Aaand now I feel like a massive failure. ---
**Author:** ![afterspivak](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@afterspivak](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/afterspivak)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 9:41am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/388 "2021-07-13T09:41:46Z")
No man! It’s just a snapshot of what is out there, what is possible. It’s better to know than not to know. 🙃 Guy ---
**Author:** ![Poundsand](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@Poundsand](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Poundsand)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 12:38pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/389 "2021-07-13T12:38:00Z")
> [@MadamBroccoli](#): > > I wonder if anyone has talked about their salary with their colleagues in their own country. Is it really like that YouTube clip, or is it the same as here? Most people working for private companies in the U.S., above lower level hourly pay, do not discuss pay. Pretty much everyone in gov’t knows how much everyone else makes, as it’s all on a schedule / step system (or publicly available anyway). When I was consulting, everyone knew how much everyone else made. I share with friends, but that’s not typical. I agree with the video… sharing is the way to go for employees. ---
**Author:** ![MadamBroccoli](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MadamBroccoli](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/MadamBroccoli)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/390 "2021-07-13T19:20:57Z")
That’s the ideal result. I wonder if human nature is that… optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![QuaSaShao](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/quasashao/32/220200_2.png) [@QuaSaShao](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/QuaSaShao)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 7:30pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/391 "2021-07-13T19:30:05Z")
I don’t know how much I actually make because my Taiwanese wife years ago graciously volunteered to handle the family finances. As long as my credit card and other occasional flamboyant purchases all get paid I don’t much care. ---
**Author:** ![Poundsand](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@Poundsand](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Poundsand)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 7:52pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/392 "2021-07-13T19:52:55Z")
> [@MadamBroccoli](#): > > That’s the ideal result. I wonder if human nature is that… optimistic. It doesn’t seem to be an issue where everyone knows everyone elses’ salary. It seems to only be an issue when most people don’t share, and a couple high earners share. 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![mups](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mups/32/136700_2.png) [@mups](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/mups)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/393 "2021-07-13T21:14:53Z")
> [@nz](#): > > I have had to distance myself from Taiwanese people who find out how much I am making because they bring up how much “wealthier” I am “even compared to doctors” (um, no.) at every chance they get. Now I just say “that’s not something we talk about in the West” when people ask. Of course this type only exists to be petty, and are overly eager to judge others in order to self-affirm something to themselves. And pettiness in TW, I’d say, can be a way of life. If you make more, they want to make a point it’s unfair and you don’t deserve it. Make less and they feel superior. If someone knew my salary was higher and wanted to bring it up, I’d act very content while humbly not elaborating. And if the option is there and someone is probing, I’ll tell them I make 5X or whatever more than the actual number. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![QuaSaShao](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/quasashao/32/220200_2.png) [@QuaSaShao](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/QuaSaShao)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/394 "2021-07-13T21:23:02Z")
I tell them to ask my Taiwanese wife if they want the real number. That seems to shut them up. ---
**Author:** ![OysterOmelet](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/oysteromelet/32/219695_2.png) [@OysterOmelet](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/OysterOmelet)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 11:09pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/395 "2022-03-26T23:09:10Z")
If you look at some of the entries, the data isn’t that trustworthy. Otherwise, I’d totally take it and run a regression. I make $100,000 USD year but I don’t live in Taiwan so I didn’t enter my information. ---
**Author:** ![Explant](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/explant/32/130551_2.png) [@Explant](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Explant)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 7:59am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/396 "2022-03-27T07:59:30Z")
> [@mups](#): > > > [@nz](#): > > > > I have had to distance myself from Taiwanese people who find out how much I am making because they bring up how much “wealthier” I am “even compared to doctors” (um, no.) at every chance they get. Now I just say “that’s not something we talk about in the West” when people ask. > > Of course this type only exists to be petty, and are overly eager to judge others in order to self-affirm something to themselves. And pettiness in TW, I’d say, can be a way of life. > > If you make more, they want to make a point it’s unfair and you don’t deserve it. Make less and they feel superior. > > If someone knew my salary was higher and wanted to bring it up, I’d act very content while humbly not elaborating. And if the option is there and someone is probing, I’ll tell them I make 5X or whatever more than the actual number. 😅 Its better to look poor than pay their tab. ---
**Author:** ![marcopoloTW](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@marcopoloTW](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/marcopoloTW)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 3:57am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/397 "2022-11-08T03:57:23Z")
After 300 salaries shared, a big chunk seems to be between 40k to 80k. ![Screen Shot 2022-11-08 at 11.54.41 AM](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/d/3/d3f8139269ca10fa891ee3fa6a663291fdf7c590.png) I think it could be interesting to break it down by industry and job type. Will see if I have some time for some breakdown this weekend ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/398 "2022-11-10T04:12:48Z")
10 posts were split to a new topic: [UX jobs in Taiwan?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/ux-jobs-in-taiwan/225087) ---
**Author:** ![Gain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Gain)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 3:51am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/399 "2023-11-02T03:51:39Z")
> [@marcopoloTW](#): > > I think it could be interesting to break it down by industry and job type. Will see if I have some time for some breakdown this weekend This is so wrong. It should be annualised. Most people make a lot more annually because many places pay a lot more than 12 installments of monthly salary. > **[純軟薪水 Dcard 匿名表單 (回覆)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMYKVBxRlMv6oNVNzpXYoLUSyT8ZnLEjGcRbn0b4KsA/edit#gid=788239997)** > > 表單回應 1 > > Timestamp,公司名稱,職務,職級,相關年資,現職年資,月底薪(萬),Bonus (月),總年薪(萬) 分紅+年終+底薪,每日平均工時,每月加班,加班頻率,爽度(1~5) 5最爽 ,Loading,心得 是否推薦 面試相關....etc,@dropdown,@dropdown, > 2023/4/25 上午... > **[豬屎屋薪水 Dcard 匿名表單 (回覆)](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nacH5Sq9_1MhPxJUxOjE-VqPJwxdGyrqk4DVhULuXmg/edit#gid=56632926)** > > 表單回應 1 > > 時間戳記,公司名稱,職務,職級,相關年資,現職年資,月底薪(萬),Bonus (月),總年薪(萬) 分紅+年終+底薪,每日平均工時,每月加班,加班頻率,爽度(1~5) 5最爽 ,Loading,心得 是否推薦 面試相關....etc > 難過,二線,資深工程師,Senior ,5,1,9.3,4,18,8,1,1,4,1,錢不算多 但目前看起來cp值還可以 > 2023/4/16 下午... Someone on Dcard conducted a similar survey and it’s a lot more accurate (though this is only limited to jobs in tech). ---
**Author:** ![Brianjones](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@Brianjones](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Brianjones)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 4:07am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852/400 "2023-11-02T04:07:54Z")
So maybe it’s not as useful then. How much does a binman make these days? You have to sell your soul to some of these tech companies in Taiwan. Pay per hours worked and shifts and vacation days… that would be the most interesting. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852.md?page=19) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/share-your-taiwan-salary-anonymously/195852.md?page=21)