He must be talking about the terror for some people that is not to be able to be in power.
Agents of Green Terror hate the freedom the KMT brought to Taiwan.
I’d have to say that the Taiwanese style of exercising democratic rights was similar to a teenage male in North America driving the family car just after getting his driver’s license. That is, it’s legally and morally legitimate; but the sense of judgement exhibited is likely to be highly questionable. However, if he survives the next few years, he should do OK!
So good you didn’t say it was a teenage male in Taiwan driving his family car, because no matter how many years he has…
AC, of course the KMT brought a lot of freedom:
aaa) the freedom to only speak mandarin
aab) the freedom to only have the KMT
aac) the freedom of not choosing your government
aad) the freedom of not knowing what was going on
aae) the freedom of having to get a Visa to return to your own country
…
zzz) the freedom to be shot if you didn’t agree with any of the above
[quote=“mr_boogie”]So good you didn’t say it was a teenage male in Taiwan driving his family car, because no matter how many years he has…
AC, of course the KMT brought a lot of freedom:
aaa) the freedom to only speak Mandarin
aab) the freedom to only have the KMT
aac) the freedom of not choosing your government
aad) the freedom of not knowing what was going on
aae) the freedom of having to get a Visa to return to your own country
…
zzz) the freedom to be shot if you didn’t agree with any of the above[/quote]
mr_boogie, you forgot freedom to elect the DPP into the presidency of Taiwan.
[quote=“mr_boogie”]
AC, of course the KMT brought a lot of freedom:
aaa) the freedom to only speak Mandarin
aab) the freedom to only have the KMT
aac) the freedom of not choosing your government
aad) the freedom of not knowing what was going on
aae) the freedom of having to get a Visa to return to your own country
…
zzz) the freedom to be shot if you didn’t agree with any of the above[/quote]
Clearly this illustrates that DPP supporters hate freedom.
[quote=“ac_dropout”]
Clearly this illustrates that DPP supporters hate freedom.[/quote]
Sure.
[quote=“mr_boogie”]So good you didn’t say it was a teenage male in Taiwan driving his family car, because no matter how many years he has…
AC, of course the KMT brought a lot of freedom:
aaa) the freedom to only speak Mandarin
aab) the freedom to only have the KMT
aac) the freedom of not choosing your government
aad) the freedom of not knowing what was going on
aae) the freedom of having to get a Visa to return to your own country
…
zzz) the freedom to be shot if you didn’t agree with any of the above[/quote]
Then how we can communicate with each other?In which language?DPP’s mingnan?
Same now,We are NOT choosing our government,it is the TWO bullets choosing it. Remember?
Sorry, AC spoken of the freedom the KMT brought to Taiwan. These are the only freedoms I remembered where introduced in Taiwan when the KMT arrived… After decades of struggle against these freedoms, the Taiwanese finally had real freedom to choose whoever they wanted to rule them. And they chose the DPP. Twice. So before starting to comment on my words, get it straight.
douseeme. There are many languages in Taiwan and none was introduced by the DPP. You have the freedom to speak in any language you want - the same didn’t happen when the KMT arrived in here. And for the two bullets, get over it - what good does it make to be constantly lamenting the poor choices for candidates of the KMT over the case? Complain against the KMT (and China, for giving a hand to the DPP).
[quote=“mr_boogie”]Sorry, AC spoken of the freedom the KMT brought to Taiwan. These are the only freedoms I remembered where introduced in Taiwan when the KMT arrived… After decades of struggle against these freedoms, the Taiwanese finally had real freedom to choose whoever they wanted to rule them. And they chose the DPP. Twice. So before starting to comment on my words, get it straight.
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and they chose the KMT once too, so what? It seems you are cherry picking facts.
anyway, Taipei Times carried a piece today “ANALYSIS: Shih Ming-teh indictment inspires new round of call sfor end to `outdated’ law” taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/ … 2003373918
I would like to nominate this for Classic Post. :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :loco:
Sorry, Mick, I don’t know what books you are reading, but when was there an election to vote if Taiwanese wanted to be ruled by the KMT or not? It seems they pretty much took care of the place, with or without the will of the locals…
I have no idea what you’re asking here. you had said
and i had replied,
Are you asking when did the 1996 elections take place and who won ? I should ask you what books you’re reading.
I said that the KMT imposed themselves on the Taiwanese populace, more than a choice from the people here.
The 96 elections where still in a premature state of democracy - same happens almost everywhere, specially in ex-communist countries - when people are still afraid of changes. The same didn’t happen in the other 2, either by poor choices from the KMT or something else…
yawn Are you trying to say the Japanese really gave the Taiwanese political and linguistic freedom?
I mean how is the DPP giving me my freedom these days.
Can a large Taiwanese company not donate to the DPP when solicited by them, without fear of political retribution? The only reason the DPP gives these days is that we use to donate to the KMT, we should donate to the DPP now.
At least in the KMT days, you knew the KMT was at least developing Taiwan to some degree. With the DPP the money is just wasted on smear campaigns.
The fundimental issue is the Taiwanese public properly educated to handle the responsibility of a western style government? I would say not really. Besides the fact everything in Taiwan’s government system is “borrowed.” Nothing is “organically” developed for the Taiwanese society. Further making is difficult to govern.
Will time allow Taiwan’s government to improve? Probably not either. All the talent have left and are leaving.
It’s like a company. Can it failed company get turned around. Sure, but it takes a lot of work, a change in corporate culture, and thought leaders with vision. Does Taiwan have any of these 3 factors in their favor?
Work hard - not really, this generation is lazy and wants the easy life.
Change in culture - The interia of Taiwanese culture has been going on for 400 years. Japanese, KMT, nor DPP have the ability to change it.
Thought leaders - This is a talent issue and a risk/reward decision for individuals. I mean anyone of any talent coming out of the ROC education system, realizes pretty early on that they can make more money outside of Taiwan. Why enter ROC politics for a living, if you don’t have to?
No I didn’t say they gave, that is why I put the introduced word in there… maybe you should get a better read…
Can you tell me which country has a organically developed government system? I think they all borrow things one from the other, depending on the level of success it has…
People are migrating as in any modern society, everyone chooses to go where they think they will live better (you are posting in an expat forum, and I don’t believe every person here came for the reason that their government is bad). Taiwan is hiring expert Japanese and westerners and China is hiring expert Taiwanese. It all comes down to what people want and what people can offer.
You know Mr Boogie, I was showing the comments here to a Cantonese chattering Pan-Blue ‘friend’ the other day and even he said, “AC doesn’t count”.
ac wrote: Will time allow Taiwan’s government to improve? Probably not either. All the talent have left and are leaving.
v writes: isn’t it possible that maybe some of the best talent, the talent that doesn’t hold accumulating wealth as its highest standard, is staying/returning to taiwan? zhang guo-long could have stayed at yale as a researcher, but he chose to return to taiwan. also in the world journal a couple of days ago there was an article saying a lot of taiwanese-americans want to return to taiwan to retire. they want to ‘go home’ they said. also they like the taiwan healthcare system better than america’s. my waisheng ren husband wants to retire in taiwan too. maybe some of these returnees will help the government improve. ac- would you consider spending your last years in taiwan? china? flushing? cherry hill? queens? brooklyn? edison? my husband plans to go to the park with some dou jiang and a bird in a cage.
v,
Do you really think at the age of retirement, I want to spend my time in politics. Especially Taiwan politics. To be vilified by every side. It’s like the epitome of “No good deed goes unpunished” in ROC politics.
It’s more fun to donate to worthy candidates and watch them take the punishment in your place.
i think every citizen of voting age should be involved in politics in some way. it’s very intellectually stimulating, you get a chance to put your values into action, you get to meet like-minded people. it’s hard to stand alone and be villified, but if you have people on your side it’s not hard- as long as it doesn’t get violent. giving money to your candidate is a form of participation, as is posting on forums about politics. how would you like to spend your retirement? you’ve got to use your brain or it will go to mush. i really admire tony snow and arlen specter in that they have terminal illnesses, yet they continue to be involved in politics, doing the work they love, being productive, being distracted from their pain…