So just who is allowed to call Taiwan sovereign anyway?

You’re having a hard time grasping my position on this, aren’t you. Obviously Taiwan is not “necessarily indispensable” to the United States picture. That’s exactly my position.

mr_boogie suggested that the United States would never cast Taiwan loose because of its agenda of “containing” China. I think that’s a load of bull$hit, and firmly believe that Taiwan is on a fast rocket back into China’s sphere of influence.[/quote]

Got you the first time.

However you re the one who misread my paragraph. The operative part of which resides in the last two sentences.

The KMT alliances have been playing politics at the expense of Taiwan’s interests. Ever since they got trounced in the presidential poll in 2000. At least thats their excuse.

But I could be wrong. Perhaps the Blues crowd got the picture too. From the beginning. Perhaps you re correct about the likelihood of Taiwan getting manipulated into China’s orbit, if the Blues have their way. I think thats a point we can agree on.

I totally agree with you on this point. The Chinese are experts at saving face with minor semantic tweaks, if both parties want to play along. I for one really do believe a happy confederation seems so stunningly obvious and satisfying to the vast majority… surely sooner or later we’ll get around to implementing it.

Of course, both of the sides have to show that they want to do it - we didn’t see French and German, Dutch, Belgians, Luxembourgish and Italians putting unreasonable conditions one to the other, did we? If you can remember how many wars these 6 countries ever had and how many land disputes are in here, it seems quite amazing… They can even throw Singapore and many other SE countries, and why not Japan and SK/NK?