# Something came from nothing? Is God eternal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Religion & Spirituality\ **Tags:** origins\ **Created:** [September 20, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642 "2025-09-20T21:36:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:08pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/61 "2025-09-22T13:08:17Z")
And yet “no religion” is about to overtake Christianity in Australia. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew0409](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew0409/32/69821_2.png) [@Andrew0409](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew0409)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/62 "2025-09-22T13:12:30Z")
In HK the democracy movement is also heavily influenced by Christian churches. Joshua Wong was the face of it during the HK crackdown and he’s a Christian too. Christianity does seem to be tied into democratic movements. It’s an interesting topic in history and religion ---
**Author:** ![Kalle](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kalle](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Kalle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:17pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/63 "2025-09-22T13:17:41Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > And yet, wherever Christianity took root, you also find the rise of some of the most stable, prosperous, and free nations in history. The principles of human dignity, equality, and justice that shaped the modern world are rooted in the very faith Somebody slept during the history session regarding Christianity in Europe :rofl: The Kings changed to Christianity due to the Church tax, the Kings could make more money… Nothing about faith :rofl: Follow the money 💰 💵 💰 ---
**Author:** ![Andrew0409](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew0409/32/69821_2.png) [@Andrew0409](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew0409)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:23pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/64 "2025-09-22T13:23:21Z")
Christianity was both a tool of state power and a source of moral/ideological resources that later movements (like abolition, democracy, human rights) drew from. It’s not just “follow the money,” but it’s also not some pure line of “faith produced freedom.” Why other religions didn’t democratize as easily: •Islam: Political and religious authority fused; no institutional “church vs state” to create power-sharing. •Confucianism: Hierarchical, order-first; little tradition of popular sovereignty. •Buddhism: Often withdrawn from politics; monks weren’t building parliaments. •Hinduism: Strong caste structures slowed egalitarian movements until modern times. There are many factors but it’s clear Christianity has a lot of influence on democratic movements. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/65 "2025-09-22T13:24:07Z")
> [@Kalle](#): > > Somebody slept during the history session regarding Christianity in Europe :rofl: The Kings changed to Christianity due to the Church tax, the Kings could make more money… Nothing about faith :rofl: > > Follow the money 💰 💵 💰 If it was just about tax, those nations wouldn’t have gone on to abolish slavery, enshrine human rights, build universities, and establish democratic systems, all under a Christian worldview. The economic motive may have been part of it, but the cultural and moral framework of Christianity shaped Europe into something far greater than greedy kings could ever plan. ---
**Author:** ![crusher](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/crusher/32/235005_2.png) [@crusher](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/crusher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/66 "2025-09-22T13:26:55Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > > [@crusher](#): > > > > That’s the opinion of the author of that psalm. Nothing else. > > That’s not just “the opinion of the author.” The psalms, like the rest of Scripture, are held by believers as God-breathed (2 Timothy 3:16). When David says God knit him together in the womb, he’s pointing to a truth that runs throughout the Bible: life is sacred, and God is its author. Anyone can say that their art , music or whatever came from God. You have zero evidence that it was inspired by God. ---
**Author:** ![Kalle](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kalle](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Kalle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/67 "2025-09-22T13:27:02Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > Christian All religions are evil as the priesthoods, or whatever name they have in each religion, is just using it for power and cash Odin is the only true God! Valhalla! ---
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:27pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/68 "2025-09-22T13:27:24Z")
Europeans had the fight against the church for most freedoms that you reference. ---
**Author:** ![crusher](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/crusher/32/235005_2.png) [@crusher](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/crusher)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/69 "2025-09-22T13:28:12Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > > [@Kalle](#): > > > > Somebody slept during the history session regarding Christianity in Europe :rofl: The Kings changed to Christianity due to the Church tax, the Kings could make more money… Nothing about faith :rofl: > > > > Follow the money 💰 💵 💰 > > If it was just about tax, those nations wouldn’t have gone on to abolish slavery, enshrine human rights, build universities, and establish democratic systems, all under a Christian worldview. The economic motive may have been part of it, but the cultural and moral framework of Christianity shaped Europe into something far greater than greedy kings could ever plan. That’s just cultural Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/70 "2025-09-22T13:28:27Z")
> [@Kalle](#): > > All religions are evil as the priesthoods, or whatever name they have in each religion, is just using it for power and cash > > Odin is the only true God! Valhalla! Myths fade, but truth remains. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:29pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/71 "2025-09-22T13:29:51Z")
> [@crusher](#): > > Anyone can say that their art , music or whatever came from God. You have zero evidence that it was inspired by God. So your position is that God (who gives life) would somehow be fine with the killing of unborn babies? ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/72 "2025-09-22T13:31:04Z")
> [@crusher](#): > > That’s just cultural Christianity. So you are agreeing that Christianity is the reason for these things! Great! We agree. ---
**Author:** ![Kalle](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@Kalle](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Kalle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/73 "2025-09-22T13:31:23Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > Myths fade, but truth remains The myth of Jesus fades while the truth of Yggdrasil remains ---
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/74 "2025-09-22T13:32:05Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > So your position is that God (who gives life) would somehow be fine with the killing of unborn babies? For one there is no such thing as God. Two it is a woman’s choice. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew0409](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew0409/32/69821_2.png) [@Andrew0409](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew0409)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/75 "2025-09-22T13:33:03Z")
> [@RandomName](#): > > Europeans had the fight against the church for most freedoms that you reference. Protestants did fight for them against the Catholic Church. Protestant movement seems to have put more seeds of democracy than Catholic countries. ---
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/76 "2025-09-22T13:34:11Z")
Cromwell was such a democratic leader :rofl: ---
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/77 "2025-09-22T13:35:48Z")
Democracy has its roots in the pagan world, not the Christian. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/78 "2025-09-22T13:35:50Z")
> [@RandomName](#): > > Two it is a woman’s choice. Murderers also have a choice to kill. Doesn’t make it right. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew0409](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew0409/32/69821_2.png) [@Andrew0409](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew0409)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/79 "2025-09-22T13:36:59Z")
I don’t think you’re able to have a serious discussion. Historically, Christianity has influenced many democratic movements around the world. When I pointed it out for HK, all you can do is laugh. You don’t need to believe in Christianity to discuss how Christianity help shaped democracy. No one is claiming people didn’t abuse religion for personal gains and Christians were all saints that did no wrong. These 2 things above are not mutually exclusive. We are pointing out that Christianity has influenced democratic societies. Even in school we would learn about different religious movements that shaped society in a secular way. ---
**Author:** ![RandomName](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/779978/32.png) [@RandomName](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/RandomName)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2025, 1:40pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642/80 "2025-09-22T13:40:17Z")
> [@Andrew0409](#): > > We are pointing out that Christianity has influenced democratic societies. It is mere historical happenstance, the fact that you think it is something greater is what is funny. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642.md?page=3) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/something-came-from-nothing-is-god-eternal/253642.md?page=5)