Something came from nothing? Is God eternal?

And yet “no religion” is about to overtake Christianity in Australia.

In HK the democracy movement is also heavily influenced by Christian churches.

Joshua Wong was the face of it during the HK crackdown and he’s a Christian too.

Christianity does seem to be tied into democratic movements. It’s an interesting topic in history and religion

Somebody slept during the history session regarding Christianity in Europe :rofl: The Kings changed to Christianity due to the Church tax, the Kings could make more money… Nothing about faith :rofl:

Follow the money :money_bag: :dollar_banknote: :money_bag:

Christianity was both a tool of state power and a source of moral/ideological resources that later movements (like abolition, democracy, human rights) drew from.

It’s not just “follow the money,” but it’s also not some pure line of “faith produced freedom.”

Why other religions didn’t democratize as easily:

•Islam: Political and religious authority fused; no institutional “church vs state” to create power-sharing.

•Confucianism: Hierarchical, order-first; little tradition of popular sovereignty.

•Buddhism: Often withdrawn from politics; monks weren’t building parliaments.

•Hinduism: Strong caste structures slowed egalitarian movements until modern times.

There are many factors but it’s clear Christianity has a lot of influence on democratic movements.

If it was just about tax, those nations wouldn’t have gone on to abolish slavery, enshrine human rights, build universities, and establish democratic systems, all under a Christian worldview. The economic motive may have been part of it, but the cultural and moral framework of Christianity shaped Europe into something far greater than greedy kings could ever plan.

Anyone can say that their art , music or whatever came from God. You have zero evidence that it was inspired by God.

All religions are evil as the priesthoods, or whatever name they have in each religion, is just using it for power and cash

Odin is the only true God! Valhalla!

Europeans had the fight against the church for most freedoms that you reference.

That’s just cultural Christianity.

Myths fade, but truth remains.

So your position is that God (who gives life) would somehow be fine with the killing of unborn babies?

So you are agreeing that Christianity is the reason for these things! Great! We agree.

The myth of Jesus fades while the truth of Yggdrasil remains

For one there is no such thing as God. Two it is a woman’s choice.

Protestants did fight for them against the Catholic Church.

Protestant movement seems to have put more seeds of democracy than Catholic countries.

Cromwell was such a democratic leader :rofl:

Democracy has its roots in the pagan world, not the Christian.

Murderers also have a choice to kill. Doesn’t make it right.

I don’t think you’re able to have a serious discussion.

Historically, Christianity has influenced many democratic movements around the world. When I pointed it out for HK, all you can do is laugh.

You don’t need to believe in Christianity to discuss how Christianity help shaped democracy.

No one is claiming people didn’t abuse religion for personal gains and Christians were all saints that did no wrong.

These 2 things above are not mutually exclusive.

We are pointing out that Christianity has influenced democratic societies. Even in school we would learn about different religious movements that shaped society in a secular way.

It is mere historical happenstance, the fact that you think it is something greater is what is funny.