Strategery & Smart Diplomacy ("We’re Leaving Behind A Stable And Self-Reliant Iraq")

Can’t we just build a big wall around the whole Middle East and North Africa and just let them fester in there without bothering us nice people?? Sheesh.

Plenty of blame to go around, without Bush these rebels, who were disavowed by Al Qaida for being too extreme would never have been formed. Obama gets blame for pulling all forces out without ensuring Iraq was secure. Or blame Maliki for alienating the Sunnis, or the Saudis for funding ISIS. Blame a Syrian civil war, where Obama declares Bashar Al-Assad must go, siding with the Sunnis, while in Iraq supporting the Shite led government who are now fighting the same group the Syrian government is. Not to suggest the Americans ever supported ISIS, far too extreme, but they are allied with Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait, who it seems don’t share the same reservations and see the American as not offering enough support to the Sunnis. What a bloody mess!

Dude, this started in Syria, where Ozymandias backed the wrong rebels. Try to follow the plot.

Dude, this started in Syria, where Ozymandias backed the wrong rebels. Try to follow the plot.[/quote]

I think you’ll find they started out in Iraq shortly after the Iraq war, then spread to Syria. Obama didnt back ISIS (or ISIL) they backed the Syrian Islamic Liberation Front. Which is not to say some of those arms didnt end up in ISIS hands, or that other countries didnt also fund ISIS, but they have returned in force to Iraq now, with not much resistance so far in the Sunni majority areas. Baghdad I think will be another story.

Dude, this started in Syria, where Ozymandias backed the wrong rebels. Try to follow the plot.[/quote]

Oh, not the right rebels- like the ones John McCain took selfies with?

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … Syria.html

[quote]
The photograph, released by Mr McCain’s office, shows the US senator standing with a group of rebels during his highly-publicised trip to Syria this week.
Two of the men in the image are Mohamed Nour and Abu Ibrahim, claimed Lebanese newspaper The Daily Star. The men are described as being part of a group who kidnapped 11 Shias last year.

Today, Mr McCain’s office said that no one who met with the senator identified themselves by those names. “None of the individuals the senator planned to meet with was named Mohamad Nour or Abu Ibrahim,” a spokesman said. “A number of other Syrian commanders joined the meeting, but none of them identified himself as Mohamad Nour or Abu Ibrahim.” [/quote]

Amazing- they didn’t come out and tell poor Johnny they were Islamist terrorists- that’s how sneaky these guys are- they don’t even wear team jerseys so you can tell them apart.

P.S. I know it’s hard for righties, but things did happen in the Middle East before this week’s Fox News talking points

Years ago on here I posted details of the plans from the early 80s to dissect Iraq into three sections.
Fred Smith said it was a load of rubbish but shut up when I showed the links.

This looks like it is going to happen.
It really is mission accomplished and a success. Iraq is no longer a threat to Israel and the Saudi backers of Islamic nut jobs. Billions were made by the likes of Halliburton for contracts that were never completed. Shareholders rubbed their hands together with glee at the returns.
However the Islamic nut jobs are something that probably wasn’t planned (or the severity of them) and has caused even deeper issues.
Like Libya with their own Islamic nut case factions, Iraq is a basket case and thus, the war was a success.

The British deserve more than their fair share of abuse for their overall tenure during the inter-world war years.

Iraq, 3 sections, at least.
Even a cursory glance at a map of the region illustrates that many states have extremely artificial borders.

It gets worse:

thedailybeast.com/articles/2 … -york.html

[quote]When Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi walked away from a U.S. detention camp in 2009, the future leader of ISIS issued some chilling final words to reservists from Long Island.

The Islamist extremist some are now calling the most dangerous man in the world had a few parting words to his captors as he was released from the biggest U.S. detention camp in Iraq in 2009.

“He said, ‘I’ll see you guys in New York,’” recalls Army Col. Kenneth King, then the commanding officer of Camp Bucca.[/quote]

Daily Beast tries its best to absolve Fearless Leader from blame, but it won’t wash. They were ALL dangerous in Gitmo. That’s why they were there.

[quote=“cake”]Years ago on here I posted details of the plans from the early 80s to dissect Iraq into three sections.
Fred Smith said it was a load of rubbish but shut up when I showed the links.

This looks like it is going to happen.
[/quote]

Uh…how, exactly?

Changing the subject right back again…

dailysurge.com/2014/06/brief-loo … d-moments/

[quote]It’s amazing how a guy who famously called the Iraq invasion a “dumb war” jumped at the opportunity to pat himself on the back when he believed things had turned around, as if he was trying to convince the American people that he personally masterminded the surge. The overall problem with Obama’s “take credit for the positives/assign blame for the negatives” approach is that sometimes, his perception of what’s a positive achievement backfires. Bowe Bergdahl, anyone?
Read more at dailysurge.com/2014/06/brief-loo … 2lhKh2c.99[/quote]

Hey, people: don’t click on those links if you value your sanity or your computer. What a joke.

Typical RWBH crap. any site with that many pop-ups and malware adverts just HAS to be telling THE WHOLE TRUTH, right?

Yeah, sure.

what a bunch of losers.

[quote=“urodacus”]Hey, people: don’t click on those links if you value your sanity or your computer. What a joke.

Typical RWBH crap. any site with that many pop-ups and malware adverts just HAS to be telling THE WHOLE TRUTH, right?

Yeah, sure.

what a bunch of losers.[/quote]
Which link specifically?

While that sounds bad, it could also be a blessing in disguise. While Shite and Sunnis may never get along, it could be an opportunity for both to fully recognize extreme fundamentalism as a threat and work together on that common ground.

While that sounds bad, it could also be a blessing in disguise. While Shite and Sunnis may never get along, it could be an opportunity for both to fully recognize extreme fundamentalism as a threat and work together on that common ground.[/quote]

I have no idea what that even means. Only common ground is oil production, and from that, who gets what when and how.

Saddam was from Tikrit. He must be laughing, right now.

[quote=“TheGingerMan”]

I have no idea what that even means. Only common ground is oil production, and from that, who gets what when and how.

Saddam was from Tikrit. He must be laughing, right now.[/quote]

Making money off oil requires relative peace and security, with ISIS there, neither of them can money money off oil production.

[quote=“TheGingerMan”][quote=“urodacus”]Hey, people: don’t click on those links if you value your sanity or your computer. What a joke.

Typical RWBH crap. any site with that many pop-ups and malware adverts just HAS to be telling THE WHOLE TRUTH, right?

Yeah, sure.

what a bunch of losers.[/quote]
Which link specifically?[/quote]

anything on the Daily Surge.

And the right wing nut jobs just continue to amaze… In the face of such obvious evidence we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place, they still have the balls to try to ignore that and blame Obama for it somehow, it’s absolutely amazing. The political landscape truly has crossed the point of no return. At this point, mine as well just have another civil war. Forget invading other countries and causing havoc for innocents all over the world. Do it at home. Red vs Blue, let’s do this already.

Its not right and its not left, its The good ole USA, Freedom, democracy, eagles, apple pie and all that other bullshit they dirve down the world’s throat.

Barry is simply black Bush, only he kills more people.

Here’s a hint, when you install a strongman to do your dirty work in one of the countries where the majority of people belong to the religion of peace, once you decide that you don’t like how the strongman you installed is behaving, replacing him with democracy and freedom only allows the fruitcakes and nutjobs to seize control.

Fucked up countries need a strongman. I know this is not PC, mildly bigoted and a bit harsh, but it is 100% true, left to decide for themselves they will fuck it up.

100% true?
More 33.333%.
Democracy and freedom?
Who wants that, except for those of us that still have?
All the rest is payback, in somebody’s mind.

De-Stabilise it!

[quote=“Deuce Dropper”]
Fucked up countries need a strongman. I know this is not PC, mildly bigoted and a bit harsh, but it is 100% true, left to decide for themselves they will fuck it up.[/quote]

if by fucked up you mean there are multiple factions all are willing to do whatever it take to benefit themselves and all have armed militias, heck everyone has a automatic rifle, then yes, that country would probably be better off with a strongman.

there are some in the US who’d want to see the US become just that. multiple malitias, everyone with their own automatic rifles…