Taiwan: catalyst for change in China

A new voice presents a rarely heard argument in the English media: why reunification will be to the benefit of Taiwan, China, and the world at large. I find it very interesting that the CS Monitor gave this argument an airing. The author is mainland Chinese (origin).

csmonitor.com/2006/0919/p09s02-coop.html

[quote]Taiwan: catalyst for change in China
Taiwan and China must unite in order for both nations to prosper.
By Fei-Ling Wang


Great hopes have been pinned to the peaceful rise of Chinese power, which is widely viewed to be in the interests of the Chinese people and world peace. China’s rise now increasingly depends on the successful political transformation of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in the direction of the rule of law and democracy. Key in catalyzing this change is the already democratic Republic of China (ROC) on the island of Taiwan.
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Taiwan really isn’t that important. Nice puff piece, but the premise is utter bollocks.

I’m not so sure. Sun Yat-sen and a few hundred/thousand core revolutionaries really changed the fate of China during the early 20th century. The ideals they absorbed from Japan, the United States, and France were a key component of that process.

And if Taiwan has as much an impact on mainland China’s political/legal system as it has already had on mainland China’s economic/business system… well, it’ll be very significant indeed.

Careful cctang, I’d sugest equating the current regime with Qin Shihuang might get you in trouble with your minders. :laughing:

HG

Any request for sacrifice on the TI/ers’ part is going to fall on deaf ears, even without considering their hatred for anything Chinese. There are other cynical and contradictory forces at work when TI/ers are involved and they have been discussed elsewhere.

Sigh. And so what sort of concessions can be expected from the CCP, dear Zeugmite?

Anyway, shouldn’t you be out in the street with all the other clods opposing democracy or something?

HG

I’m not so sure. Sun Yat-sen and a few hundred/thousand core revolutionaries really changed the fate of China during the early 20th century. The ideals they absorbed from Japan, the United States, and France were a key component of that process.

And if Taiwan has as much an impact on mainland China’s political/legal system as it has already had on mainland China’s economic/business system… well, it’ll be very significant indeed.[/quote]

Oh yes, and it lasted until some crumble brain thought communisme would be better …

Sigh. And so what sort of concessions can be expected from the CCP, dear Zeugmite?

Anyway, shouldn’t you be out in the street with all the other clods opposing democracy or something?

HG[/quote]

I dont suppose there will be many concessions. Where is the vision of the current administration? A name change to an airport? this is their brilliant plan. While there is divisions in society that manifest themselves, like last night in Koashung with mobs attacking their own countrymen.

With the way the current administration has handled the country, Unification with conditions may start to be an attractive option.

I’m not so sure. Sun Yat-sen and a few hundred/thousand core revolutionaries really changed the fate of China during the early 20th century. The ideals they absorbed from Japan, the United States, and France were a key component of that process.
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Oh yes, and it lasted until some crumble brain thought communisme would be better …[/quote]
It sounds like you too are ignorant of the historical origins of the Chinese Communist Party… so I’ll post this for probably the 5th time this week. The leadership of the Communist Party of China were, with the notable exception of Mao, foreign educated intellectuals. Deng Xiaoping, Zhu De, and Zhou Enlai all spent time as students in Paris. The origins of Communism are distinctly Western European.

Now, with that fact in mind… re-read my post above.

Just what I was going to say. People really forget that China has been on a contiunous path of absorbing Western thought. Communism is as much a Western product as democracy or capitalism. Back in the day when Communism was in vogue, I can just imagine the ancestors of the same Forumosa clowns clamoring for the immediate adoption of Western-style Communism in China.

Taiwan as a catalyst is somewhat misleading. More like the conflict over the status of ROC with the USA has accelerated PRC progress. Taiwan is just another conflict point between USA and PRC.

The same could be said of the Korea(s), competition with World Bank, competition for natural resources.

All these issues require PRC to compete directly with the USA, and thus motivating the PRC to progress various areas in order to have leverage.

Now, why would the PRC want ROC exact politic system, as the authors argues? Is it to convince the American audience that unification is a good thing?

Because honestly, as Jackie Chan said 2 years ago, Taiwan is a joke.

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It sounds like you too are ignorant of the historical origins of the Chinese Communist Party… so I’ll post this for probably the 5th time this week. The leadership of the Communist Party of China were, with the notable exception of Mao, foreign educated intellectuals. Deng Xiaoping, Zhu De, and Zhou Enlai all spent time as students in Paris. The origins of Communism are distinctly Western European.

Now, with that fact in mind… re-read my post above.[/quote]

I’ve been in Paris too but never tried to set up a communist party and take advantage of my power situation … it really doesn’t matter where they were educated … in Paris or on Mars

Everybody always forgets poor old Qu Qiubai (瞿秋白). :unamused:

“Tofu is delicious, the best food in the world!”

HG

[quote=“ac_dropout”]Taiwan as a catalyst is somewhat misleading. More like the conflict over the status of ROC with the USA has accelerated PRC progress. Taiwan is just another conflict point between USA and PRC.

The same could be said of the Korea(s), competition with World Bank, competition for natural resources.

All these issues require PRC to compete directly with the USA, and thus motivating the PRC to progress various areas in order to have leverage.

Now, why would the PRC want ROC exact politic system, as the authors argues? Is it to convince the American audience that unification is a good thing?

Because honestly, as Jackie Chan said 2 years ago, Taiwan is a joke.[/quote]

Well, it’s a common argument for reunification for those who do not appeal to realpolitik or international laws, but to morals. Too bad hardcore TI/ers really don’t believe in this. As I have pointed out, hardcore TI/ers will not sacrifice anything and are happy to support any government whatsoever as long as there is agreement on TI. There is no interest in being a beacon for China if they not only do not consider themselves Chinese, but perpetuate the worst form of hatred against Chinese.

Basically China is a danger to the world order … but noone sees it … they only can see $$$$

And what is the proper world order?

The way it’s been for the past decades … before China incorporated opened it’s doors for $$$$

So you can’t adjust to the true state variables of the world’s economy, which has 6 billion people and not merely the 1.5 billion white people. Get used to it.

The problem with China is that the government is just trying to gain power … and for that they need money, to buy weapons to gain more power … to invade Taiwan, which it faultly claims as it’s territory …

No country on the face of the earth wants to invade China, why would they …

That’s the only reason why I dislike the change of world order … not because I’m white

We might be poorly represented in total number, but there’s no denying who is on top of the heap in every meaningful measure you’d care to name. Best you just get used to it, oh, and be a dear boy and go fetch my pipe and a gin and tonic. Chop chop, off you go! :laughing:

HG