Taiwan immigration law blunder ... again

Now, why can’t Taiwan abolish this renouncing of ones citizenship for all countries? It would be much easier and more people would ask for naturalization …

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[quote=“TT”]Neither Cambodia nor Japan issues such certificates. However, although the MOFA has rejected 79 Cambodian naturalization applicants since 2005, it has granted citizenship to 22 spouses from Japan, the interior ministry said.

Now the government is changing its policy.

Speaking to the Taipei Times yesterday, interior ministry official Chang Wan-yi (張琬宜) said that because their government refuses to issue the renunciation certificates, Cambodian spouses are now exempt from having to provide such certificates during the naturalization process.

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Other countries’ citizens have the same issues …

It’s a bit of a double standard.

Taiwanese people can renounce their Taiwanese citizenship, but the govenment doesn’t recognize the renunciation, so they are still Taiwanese. Thus, they will be Taiwanese and American even though they “renounced” their Taiwanese citizenship to become American. The government doesn’t recognize the renunciation of citizenship in normal situations, yet they demand that foreigners must renounce their citizenship to become Taiwanese.

[quote=“twocs”]It’s a bit of a double standard.

Taiwanese people can renounce their Taiwanese citizenship, but the govenment doesn’t recognize the renunciation, so they are still Taiwanese. Thus, they will be Taiwanese and American even though they “renounced” their Taiwanese citizenship to become American. The government doesn’t recognize the renunciation of citizenship in normal situations, yet they demand that foreigners must renounce their citizenship to become Taiwanese.[/quote]

The US does not require natuaralized citizens to renounce their original citizenships.

It’s not really a standard at all. It’s just that Taiwan wants its citizens to be able to easily take on a second citizenship, but make it difficult for foreigners to take on ROC citizenship. They’re quite entitled to do that, and would have to be given a good reason to change their policy. Not that I suppose much thought has gone into the law, given the almost random consequences…

You’re absolutely right that they are entitled to do that, but the whole reciprocity thing and the “we expect equal treatment from other countries” thing never seems to enter their minds. Just let the Taiwanese residents (not citizens) in the US be hit with the same kind of restrictions US residents of Taiwan see (credit problems, banking restrictions, deposits for cell phones, etc. etc.) and you’d see how quickly there would be a massive protest. Unfortunately in the US it would probably be by US citizens: “That’s unfair! You can’t discriminate like that!” :noway: To be fair, though, most Taiwanese have no clue that foreigners are held to a different standard; they only “know” that we make tons more money than they do. (Yes, all of us.)

[quote=“Belgian Pie”]Now, why can’t Taiwan abolish this renouncing of ones citizenship for all countries? It would be much easier and more people would ask for naturalization …

TT story

[quote=“TT”]Neither Cambodia nor Japan issues such certificates. However, although the MOFA has rejected 79 Cambodian naturalization applicants since 2005, it has granted citizenship to 22 spouses from Japan, the interior ministry said.

Now the government is changing its policy.

Speaking to the Taipei Times yesterday, interior ministry official Chang Wan-yi (張琬宜) said that because their government refuses to issue the renunciation certificates, Cambodian spouses are now exempt from having to provide such certificates during the naturalization process.

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Other countrie’s citizens have the same issues …[/quote]

i totally agree, its soo not PC and not correct in todays world. America does NOT require one to renounce ones original citizenship to obtain U.S. citizenship

About six years I complained about this to someone in Taiwan’s Cabinet, who replied that Taiwan has “racial” considerations in its notion of citizenship. (Whether or not that is technically correct, it’s certainly the way a lot of officials tend to think.) He agreed with me that such notions do not seem to meet the criteria of human rights and internationalization that Taiwan is always talking about.

Well, it’s against the law in Sweden, so I can’t renounce my citizenship :stuck_out_tongue:
Once a Swede, always a… turnip?

[quote=“TheLostSwede”]Well, it’s against the law in Sweden, so I can’t renounce my citizenship :stuck_out_tongue:
Once a Swede, always a… turnip?[/quote]
So, would you get thrown in jail?

So then a UK citizen could renounce is British citizenship to get Taiwanese citizenship and then reapply for UK citizenship without losing his Taiwanese citizenship in the same way that Taiwanese can’t lose their Taiwanese citizenship right?

[quote=“Tigerman”][quote=“twocs”]It’s a bit of a double standard.

Taiwanese people can renounce their Taiwanese citizenship, but the govenment doesn’t recognize the renunciation, so they are still Taiwanese. Thus, they will be Taiwanese and American even though they “renounced” their Taiwanese citizenship to become American. The government doesn’t recognize the renunciation of citizenship in normal situations, yet they demand that foreigners must renounce their citizenship to become Taiwanese.[/quote]

The US does not require natuaralized citizens to renounce their original citizenships.[/quote]

You’re incorrect if you are saying that to become a naturalized citizen of the US that you do not need to unequivocably renounce your original citizenship. To become a citizen of the United States, one must take the oath of allegiance, which reads as follows.

[quote=“www.uscis.gov”]
Oath of Allegiance
The oath of allegiance is:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

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So that you don’t have to run to check your dictionary, here it is in layman’s terms.

[quote=“www.uscitizenship.info/citizenship_library_dual.htm”]The situation is slightly less clear for someone who becomes a US citizen via naturalization and still wishes to take advantage of his old citizenship. People who go through US naturalization are required to state under oath that they are renouncing their old citizenship, and conduct inconsistent with this pledge could theoretically lead to loss of one’s US status.

However, the State Department is no longer actively pursuing cases of this nature in most situations. In particular, when a new American’s “old country” refuses to recognize the US naturalization oath (with its renunciatory clause) as having any effect on its own citizenship laws – and insists that the person in question must continue to deal with his old country as a citizen thereof (e.g., by using that country’s passport when travelling there to visit) – the US State Department no longer minds. [/quote]

The US does require a person who wants to be naturalized to renounce their original citizenship(s). If a country accepts someone who has under oath stated that they have no loyalty to it, it seems folly to me, but I am not a politician.

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So that you don’t have to run to check your dictionary, here it is in layman’s terms.

[quote=“www.uscitizenship.info/citizenship_library_dual.htm”]The situation is slightly less clear for someone who becomes a US citizen via naturalization and still wishes to take advantage of his old citizenship. People who go through US naturalization are required to state under oath that they are renouncing their old citizenship, and conduct inconsistent with this pledge could theoretically lead to loss of one’s US status.

However, the State Department is no longer actively pursuing cases of this nature in most situations. In particular, when a new American’s “old country” refuses to recognize the US naturalization oath (with its renunciatory clause) as having any effect on its own citizenship laws – and insists that the person in question must continue to deal with his old country as a citizen thereof (e.g., by using that country’s passport when travelling there to visit) – the US State Department no longer minds. [/quote]

The US does require a person who wants to be naturalized to renounce their original citizenship(s). [/quote]
I believe both you and the second website you cited are mistaken. Renunciation of allegiance does not equal renunciation of citizenship. In laymen’s terms, US law requires that naturalized citizens’ allegiance be to the US instead of to any other country whose citizenship they have. I’m unaware of any oath that a person going through the naturalization process has to take that states that they are renouncing previously held citizenship or nationality.

How else is it to explain that so many Taiwanese (politicians) have a US passport …

Case in point. Whenever you see a Taiwanese politician taking actions that are counter to the interests of Taiwan, remind yourself that they are probably just trying to show that they have truly put aside their allegiance to Taiwan. :wink: