No. Im simply stating the obvious about Human motivation. You’ve never countered any of my major points but went on about how it’s good for people. Yeah it is, but does it produce better results?
Which country has contributed to health care the most in the last 200 years? It’s pretty clear. Americans doctors and scientists lead the field of medicine. Where are all the newest surgeries, medicine, technologies overwhelmingly from. Most of these places are only able to provide good health care using the things the US pumped out after all of the costs of of RnD.
Taiwan is a good example. All of the drugs Taiwan uses are pretty much generic drugs that had patent ran out years ago developed by other countries. All the great surgeries are not made in Taiwan and doctors in Taiwan go abroad to learn. Taiwan still leads the field in cost and efficiency of care. But does not really innovate and develop new drugs. I’d anything, Taiwan has been trying to attract drug companies to come develop here because less regulations. It’s a different game.
Yes, you can see how many countries are ahead of USA in terms of quality of HC service to their people.
It’s pretty clear and of course to make money out of their R&D is a factor… but guess what, population is also a major factor:
Pfff… not really.
I don’t have Taiwan’s HC system in high regards. Maybe my standards are too high, too unrealistic for living where I live now, but hey, that’s what I saw and experienced most of my life: a HC system that is among the best in the World, and among the most efficient too, much much cheaper than others that are way worse.
Around half of the drugs manufacturered in the world are from the US… but ok. Most of the technology, techniques and drugs you so enjoy are from the US. So yeah. For only being 4% of the world population…that’s saying something. The rest of the world enjoy the medical advances US makes without ever putting money into them. So yeah, they get to have a lot of the things without baring the cost of making it.
I believe that we have a problem with drugs: we take too many. We abuse from them. Especially in the USA, where there’s again an opiods addiction epidemic… probably because we are over medicating a little bit… probably because some people get richer in that way?
Even the most Progrrssive countries are just beginning to understanding addiction. But yeah, people do rely on medication too much.
My grandfather had high blood pressure and cholesterol. We went to the doctor and they try to give him medicine. He was like “no, I will go workout and lose weight and eat a bit better”
Came back a few months later and he was all in the healthy range lol. Not many people especially Americans would do this anymore.
Just in case that someone is reading and interested in what I said before:
And for some reason a bit of the last article I liked reminded me of this:
The industry (USA) insisted so much for so long they were safe… and tried to shut up many people, until they had to admit the evidences. Fluoroquinolones are forbidden in most civilized countries, but you were speaking of the USA influence in Taiwan? Well, these drugs are still used in Taiwan despite what evidence says. I guess that someone is still making money out of old crapmedicine.
I’m very familiar with the opiate issue. I wanted to be a clinical psychologist in addiction and behavioral rehabilitation. I have hundreds of clinical hours observing and helping people who lead the field when I went to Florida for a year.
And it’s not exclusively an US issue. Other countries have also had opiate issues.
Sure. I guess that it is something that is in human nature, to get high I mean. It’s also very tempting to rely on magic pills that clear the symptoms of our problems. But because these things are very tempting, we need to try to avoid them and use them only when they are absolutely needed. If the person of authority which in this case is your doctor gives you pills for everything, every time you see him, it’s no wonder people see drugs as something normal, good and harmless. Until it’s too late.
We don’t do enough prevention, I think in the US a staggering 50% of medical costs are totally preventable associated with being over weight. This is another reason I fear for public health care for all in the US. This number is insane and extremely costly.
That’s also true. And unfortunately the USA is leading many other countries in that and other regards. Or better to say, other countries are following.
In short nothing is wrong with it. Their medical sectors are in red but they monetize the crowds by renting out some space to food and beverage vendors and they are still churning out decent profits.
However the article only mentions a few hospitals maybe others ones are actually hurting IDK.
Of course other countries benefited from US innovations but US also makes money by selling those technologies to other countries.
US probably still spends more than it recovers from overseas sales but it’s not like they are bankrolling everyone else’s medicine either.
I’m just saying places that are cost efficient like Taiwan. Use generics that have past their patent from drug companies in India and Pakistan. So the cost of medicine can be so cheap and universal health is pretty good here.
China is short on doctors and especially good ones. I think they’ve been talking about allowing foreign doctors come to alleviate the current situation.
Taiwan’s fantastic socialized medicine is negative profit, so that means the govt has to keep it afloat.
IN the USA, its all about profit.
Wife recently fell unconscious at the mall. I wasn’t there. A clerk called 911. Ambulance took her across the street. The hospital was literally across the street. She got a cat scan , blood test and 3 hours in ER. Bill? US 6500 for the hospital visit, US 2300 dollars for the ambulance ride !! Nearly 10,000 US dollars for the event. Thank God for insurance ! Which by the way, costs 800 dollars US a month for her ! The company pays half so I pay 400/month for her insurance !
Big bucks but look at what it costs !
IN TAiwan i believe the ambulance ride is free. And even without insurance i believe the hospital bill would not exceed perhaps 400 US dollars or 500 maybe.\
oh she was fine, thanks for asking. She weighs 90 pounds and missed breakfast and lunch. Which for a person like her can result in fainting. I have so much trouble just getting her to eat. Almost as much trouble as getting me to STOP eating
Ambulance ride are ridiculous. When you see the bill, they literally charge you 1000% of each thing they used and did. Oh you used the oxygen for 2 min. That’s 100$ a min.
Are volunteer ambulance services a thing in California? Wouldn’t be surprised to learn that California has regulated them out of existence.
The only time I’ve ever had to use an ambulance was in 2013 in Virginia. This was from my house to a hospital about six miles away. I dreaded the bill for the ambulance service, but as it turned out there was no charge.
Volunteer ambulance service was sent by 911 dispatch, looked like any other ambulance, was staffed by EMTs, and the charge was $0 (the ER bill was like $5k, thank God for insurance).
I never took the time to figure out how it worked. I just put $250 in the first “please donate” mail they sent me afterward and mailed it back to them (they had sent me a request for donations each month since forever; I always figured it was junk mail and trashed it).
I didn’t bring it up, but according to what I heard, private insurances are partially the reason why hospitals are so expensive in USA: they are forcing people to have one, prices are inflated so people see a lot of benefit in having one.
