Taiwan to institute mandatory saliva testing

Tonight on The Walking Dead…

Reading not your strong point dude :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:.

I guess this is yet another attempt at stand up comedy. :neutral_face:

Guy

Its a glaring problem.

Harder one to solve than doing a saliva test and so.. nothing being done on that front sadly.

Drugs , rabies, Covid 2025 , bad breath , athlete’s foot and attitude.

Soon walking while drunk will be crime!!!

Actualky that gives the police the right in Taiwan to check ID and ask questions. According to a lawyer not me.
Ridiculous I know.

It is in the U.S.

Can’t drive drunk, Can’t walk while drunk, Can’t sleep in your car while drunk. Sounds about right for the U.S.

It’s interesting. But it’s no secret amphetamines, ketmaine and multiple other man made narcotics are truly everywhere here, and have been for decades. I’m not into saliva tests either, the police tend to be fairly useless from the get anyway. So I see this getting weird. I’d report them to the FDA and be worried about other rampant problems like herpes and hepatitis :wall:

Seems to be a huge difference between refusing to take the test for a scooter rider and a car driver.

That’s weird. I wonder what the thinking behind the difference was?

I do think it’s understandable! Driving a car while impaired can potentially cause much more damage than a scooter.

What I do find strange is the following:

For operators of slow-moving vehicles, including scooter, motorcycle or bicycle riders, the fine is NT$4,800 for refusal. For those riding light electric scooters, the vehicle would also be impounded

Bikes in the same category as (heavy?) motorcycles…? And only light electric scooter will be impounded - but not motorcycles…?

The government wants to be seen to be doing something, but for cultural reasons they can’t admit that the root problems are cultural. This way the only people affected are illegal drug users, who aren’t exactly gonna protest…

Imagine the uproar if they did something useful, like impounding every car parked illegally at a corner or banning left turns?

The police will run red lights or park on red lines for convenience. Not because they have to, but because they want to and can. Changing this behaviour is a near impossible challenge for the Taiwanese government. Might as well ask people to stop burning ghost money.

I found the Taiwanese small motorcycle license to be not very easy, and I recall they have made it more difficult. The written test had a lot of obscure numbers and facts that had to be memorized, and the driving test had some things like the slow straight line or tight u-turn that seem mostly meant to prevent people from getting licensed. Every time they make it harder for people to get licensed (with tests that are basically useless for testing the needs for the conditions of the road), they encourage people to go unlicensed.

Other countries allow people to easily transfer a valid motorcycle license in, Taiwan does not accept foreign motorcycle licenses. To get a large motorcycle license in Taiwan requires going through the small license process, waiting one year, and then going back for a different process for a large motorcycle. Not easy.

But, can buy a motorcycle with an ID, don’t need a license. It is easy to buy.

People with cars have more money and cause more damage?

Not the legal wording. But from experience, license and vehicle type do indeed have different levels of fines and punishments. For example no license on scooter I think is 6k, car 8k, large commercial truck (different license class) 60 or 80k, forgot. It makes sense on license level as the more responsibility one has, the harsher the fine.

For commercial at least, the fines grow hugely if on a freeway compared to a smaller roadway.

Risking the economy > risking lives.

Otherwise:

Pedestrian > scooter > car > commercial vehicle.

All < police, military etc :saluting_face:

New Taipei gives 1st DUI fine for mini electric 2-wheel vehicle driver

In a press statement, the New Taipei City Police Department said a 58-year-old man, surnamed Lu (呂), walked into the Jisui Police Station around 4 p.m. on Friday, and told an officer at the front desk that he wanted to turn himself in.
Lu told police he was hoping to break his addiction to drugs, and handed over a bag of amphetamines and a pipe. Officers at the station searched and questioned Lo, and prepared to turn him over to prosecutors to be investigated for drug possession, the statement said.
As officers noted that Lo had ridden to the station on a mini electric two-wheel vehicle, they also administered a rapid saliva test to determine whether he had been driving while impaired by drugs, the department said.
When the test came back positive for amphetamines, officers issued Lo a citation, which turned out to be the first drug-impaired driving fine ever issued in New Taipei to the driver of a mini electric two-wheel vehicle, the department said.

Seems like the tests are actually being used - although I’m not really sure what to make of this story: A guy turning himself in voluntarily for having a drug problem - resulting him to be the first to receive such a fine on a mini electric-two wheel vehicle…

It us a funny flex by the authorities.

One thing is for sure, taiwans rampant meth issues do need proper addressing, not just jail. The FDA has tried before to limit precursors based on TVM and got great push back. Passing off this sect of industry is probably nearly as influential as when they allowed us pork. They need to tread lightly.