Taiwanese men's attitude toward Inter-racial/Inter-national couples

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A new stereotype/generalization about Taiwanese men are rising rapidly. The new stereotype/generalization is that all Taiwanese men are hostile&hateful against Taiwanese/Asian women who date/marry non-Taiwanese/non-Asian men. And some Inter-racial/Inter-national couples therefore start to dislike Taiwanese men.

 This is messed up! This is wrong! Not all Taiwanese men are like that. I am a Taiwanese man, but I am not like that. So, I feel the need to clarify something for other Taiwanese men and myself.

 I, for one, is a very open-minded person. If any friend or family of mine wanna date/marry a person of a totally different racial/ethnic/cultural background, I will never ever intervene as long as they like/love each other. :sunglasses:

Plus, why should I care whom others are dating or marrying? There are still millions of single women in Taiwan, billions of single women in other countries all over the world. I just have to mind my own business and find my own Miss Right. That’s all. :lick:
How many women do I possibly need in my life? Normally, the number will be one!..wait, all right, maybe 2 or 3
I cannot really make sure right now because I am way too young right now, but the number will be less than 72, that’s for sure. :laughing:
So, why should I care whether some Taiwanese/Asian women are dating or marrying non-Taiwanese/non-Asian men? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

 All right, there may be some male haters like that, but those male haters are the sub-cultural minorities. Most of the them make those hateful and mean comments only on the Internet, instead of practicing a real hate crime in real life.

For example, there are also some Racists or White supremacists spreading hateful and mean comments against non-White people on the Internet.
However, we all know those haters are just some sub-cultural minorities.
I will certainly not make a generalization that all White people are racists or White supremacists, and I will definitely not start to dislike White people because of it.
By the same token, those male haters who are against Inter-racial/Inter-national couples in Taiwan are just some sub-cultural minorities.

Anyway, it's wrong to think that all Taiwanese men are closed-minded haters. I am not, and many others aren't, either.

So, everyone, please stop thinking of it that way and stop spreading that kind of terrible and racist stereotype/generalization.
All the best to everyone!
Hope we all find our own Miss or Mister Right!
Cheers! :slight_smile:

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I think anyone who actually thinks that all or even most Taiwanese men hate inter-racial/international couples is pretty stupid to begin with. You do get some idiots, but that can be said about anywhere. My mam is from the UK and my dad is from the middle east, and they a bit of crap for it back in the late seventies. I’ve heard similar stories from all around the world. You shouldn’t feel like you have defend the actions of a very small group of people who just so happen to be very vocal. They will either eventually grow up (probably when they find partners of their own), or just live a pitiable and toxic existence.

Anyway, I wouldn’t waste your time worrying about this. I’ve got several good male Taiwanese friends and none of them have ever seemed to have any problems with me being married to a Taiwanese woman. I think you might have a false impression of what’s going on by looking at 1. some Taiwanese venting on some forums; and 2. some non Taiwanese venting on here.

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[quote=“Mr.Lin”]A new stereotype/generalization about Taiwanese men are rising rapidly. The new stereotype/generalization is that all Taiwanese men are hostile&hateful against Taiwanese/Asian women who date/marry non-Taiwanese/non-Asian men. And some Inter-racial/Inter-national couples therefore start to dislike Taiwanese men.

 This is messed up! This is wrong! Not all Taiwanese men are like that. I am a Taiwanese man, but I am not like that. So, I feel the need to clarify something for other Taiwanese men and myself.

 I, for one, is a very open-minded person. If any friend or family of mine wanna date/marry a person of a totally different racial/ethnic/cultural background, I will never ever intervene as long as they like/love each other. :sunglasses:

Plus, why should I care whom others are dating or marrying? There are still millions of single women in Taiwan, billions of single women in other countries all over the world. I just have to mind my own business and find my own Miss Right. That’s all. :lick:
How many women do I possibly need in my life? Normally, the number will be one!..wait, all right, maybe 2 or 3
I cannot really make sure right now because I am way too young right now, but the number will be less than 72, that’s for sure. :laughing:
So, why should I care whether some Taiwanese/Asian women are dating or marrying non-Taiwanese/non-Asian men? It doesn’t make any sense to me.

 All right, there may be some male haters like that, but those male haters are the sub-cultural minorities. Most of the them make those hateful and mean comments only on the Internet, instead of practicing a real hate crime in real life.

For example, there are also some Racists or White supremacists spreading hateful and mean comments against non-White people on the Internet.
However, we all know those haters are just some sub-cultural minorities.
I will certainly not make a generalization that all White people are racists or White supremacists, and I will definitely not start to dislike White people because of it.
By the same token, those male haters who are against Inter-racial/Inter-national couples in Taiwan are just some sub-cultural minorities.

Anyway, it's wrong to think that all Taiwanese men are closed-minded haters. I am not, and many others aren't, either.

So, everyone, please stop thinking of it that way and stop spreading that kind of terrible and racist stereotype/generalization.
All the best to everyone!
Hope we all find our own Miss or Mister Right!
Cheers! :slight_smile:[/quote]

Where did you get the impression that such a generalisation exists ? I for one have never come across it.

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I don’t think I’ve ever encountered this stereotype, nor heard of any inter-racial or international couples who dislike Taiwanese men. In South Korea, yeah, there’s sometimes this stereotype. In Taiwan, I’ve never heard of it.

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My wife and I appreciate your support, but like the posters above, I wonder where you are getting this impression from. Hopefully not just the internet


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I agree. There are a few idiots, and they tend to star in Apple Daily features 
 possibly that’s where this ‘stereotype’ idea comes from?

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Are you guys kidding? I’ve read about that stereotype many times just on forumosa alone. It usually seems to come from white guys, not Taiwanese men, though. The old “They hate us because we’re taking their women” trope. Then there are the comments translated from youtube videos about “Jasonbro” talking about big foreign hot dogs or whatever- basically, I can see where the OP would get this impression.

I think it’s a lot more prevalent (and easy to see) on the internet than in “real life,” but I also think the internet is where a lot of underlying attitudes come out - the attitudes people won’t actually discuss out loud in polite company but that still manifest in micro-expressions or other little passive-aggressive behaviors.

That said I think most of my friends are pretty tolerant of inter-racial couples that are clearly established as couples. I see a bit of frustration in other venues, where men and women are mixing and through being more aggressive or simply having more experience trying to initiate contact with women (the exotic factor probably doesn’t hurt either), the white guys seem to clean up.

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Indeed. The ones receiving most of the flak are the Taiwanese women who like foreign guys -locals have a not so nice name for them. If they are a married couple, there is less pressure but full acceptance, nope.

I do hold my hopes up for the younger, more open minded generation. But whether the open mind-ness persists and flourishes will depend on economics -bad economy = harder attitudes on immigration/immigrants/mixed or anyone different from “us”- and influence from Mainland China -closed society, promoting superiority of Han/sons of the dragon, among other factors.

The older generation of Taiwanese men, born under the martial law, are closed minded by force of rod and indoctrination. Curiously, those are the ones also being rejected by most Taiwanese women, hence the low birth rates. Taiwanese men must be open minded, whether to local or imported Miss Right, or they will not be able to compete. Then they can either roll over and keep on existing in a puddle, or rise and shine to their full potential, without looking sideways or caring whether their neighbor has a foreign bride.

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Theres a a fair amount of resentment at foreign guys in Taiwan from the local guys, it’s there otherwise it wouldn’t even come up as a topic.

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[quote=“headhonchoII”]Theres a a fair amount of resentment at foreign guys in Taiwan from the local guys, it’s there otherwise it wouldn’t even come up as a topic.

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It features enough in the news, PTT and in conversation with locals for it not just to be in the heads of western guys.

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Yeah it exists, though probably no more than in most places. It’s never been much of an issue for me personally. People tend to vent about such things here, but I don’t think anyone is seriously saying that ALL Taiwanese men feel this way. Probably some comments have been made at times that could be interpreted that way though.

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Well, we’re all Nazis on the internet, but


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What makes you say that? It could be that I am just blissfully ignorant of what people are murmuring, but I honestly can’t recall any negative experiences.

Does anybody seriously believe this? Is there even an established (and post 19th-century) rhetorical tradition to this effect?

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The whole prominence of CCR in Internet debate indicates the bizarre importance and attention attached to this. I mean white-local
Pairings are absolutely minuscule compared to SEA-local pairings, but CCR seems attached to only this very tiny minority of relationships , which indicates something strange.
BUt locals views about race and mixing are generally quite far outside of western norms.

And as Icon mentioned they have a specific term for girls who like westerners â€˜è„żé€ćŠč’
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[quote=“Zla’od”]Well, we’re all Nazis on the internet, but


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What makes you say that? It could be that I am just blissfully ignorant of what people are murmuring, but I honestly can’t recall any negative experiences.

Does anybody seriously believe this? Is there even an established (and post 19th-century) rhetorical tradition to this effect?[/quote]

Yep and yep.

It is rather ironic not to say
 demeaning that some people consider you “less valuable” or “unworthy” when you are in love with one of them just because you are different. Yes, from those nasty glances to outright racist attitudes. If you are all that, what does that make them? Not exactly above average.

Yep to the dragon. When in a fight with your partner, the first thing they throw at you is that, yep.

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This. The OP is referring specifically to this subculture, which personally I don’t encounter much. Yes they’re out there, but they’re also past their dead-by date, and you get a lot less muttering from the younger generation.

Possibly it also happens in club environments also (ie., teenagers with more testosterone than brains), where you get a sizeable population of unsavory characters who are looking for trouble.

I suspect you’d see some serious prejudice directed at Southeast Asian foreigners stealing their women; ‘white’ men, not so much.

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Those men are just a bunch of jealous losers. I, for one, find inter-cultural relationships romantic. Flying all the way here(or there) just to meet the guy/gal one is in love with and stuff. It’s sweet.

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It’s very apparent. It’s almost like a science experiment

Me and my SO :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Me and my SO with my kids :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Then we have to deal with the fact that my Asian looking SO doesn’t speak Mandarin and I do. :unamused:

If it doesn’t fit into a readily available mental box = does not compute.

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Thanks for all the replies here.
Yes, there are some Taiwanese/Asian people(men&women) who have problems with White men being with Asian women. I don’t really understand their logic or mindset, though.
It must be a hard time for some of you guys here.
I am able to empathize.
My philosophy is really simple, which is ‘Don’t do to others what you don’t want others to do to you’.
I myself may also date/marry a woman who is not Taiwanese/Asian in the future. I definitely don’t want anyone to have a problem with us just because we are of different race/culture.

By the way, I am just curious.
How’s the situation in other countries and in you guys’ homeland?
As far as I know, even in the most International&muti-cultural&ethnically diverse big cities, there are still quite a few people who are not able/willing to accept the idea of inter-racial/inter-cultural/inter-national relationships, especially when it comes to an obvious foreigner(in terms of race and culture) dating/marrying the local women.
Two of my Taiwanese friends who grew up abroad and came back to Taiwan recently(one grew up in London,U.K. and the other grew up in Wellington,N.Z.) told me that some local people gave them a hard time just because of the fact that they are in a relationship with the local girls.
Well, if that kind of local haters exist in London and Wellington, which are known for being very International&muti-cultural&ethnically diverse, then they must exist everywhere all around the world.
That’s a sad fact, I think.

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US news is full of racist incidents, and “race” is a salient social reality there in a way that it rarely is here. On the other hand, explicit racism is deeply unpopular, and people in famously redneck places like Texas (where I’m from) may surprise you in a positive way. (My friend in rural Virginia assures me that he’s never had a problem with anti-gay prejudice, for example.) Younger people find it hard even to understand the attitudes of earlier generations, although younger people are also more likely to do stupid things (like those fraternity brothers last month). In general, mixed East Asian-white couples are not targets. Asians may be stereotyped to some extent, but do not figure very prominently in US racial politics. The only strongly anti-East Asian sentiment I recall has been from blacks during the Rodney King riots, and against Japan circa 1980 (due to economics).

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We received far more stares, whispered comments, sidelong glances when travelling together in Thailand for a week than we have in 7.5 years in Tdubs. I loved how folks in Thailand assumed my SO was a rented HO. We would just laugh it off and say to each other, “It’s good to be the zebra”.

What do I care about what some ignit hick thinks. No one has ever confronted us and until that happens, non-issue.