# Take action against Taiwan bank tax residency tax certificates **URL:** \ **Category:** Discrimination in Taiwan\ **Created:** [March 24, 2023, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635 "2023-03-24T06:53:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/372 "2023-05-16T01:54:15Z")
> [@Mataiou](#): > > It saddens me very much this story, for real. But the man had to know better. I do hope he got back up on his feet again! It’s sad but it is the reality and you hear similar stories every year ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/373 "2023-05-16T02:08:39Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > What’s funny through are seeing those who suffer the consequences of their stupidity such as getting a divorce 35+ and not having a credit or rental history because everything was in their wife’s name… One of the reasons I battled to get cards and loans in my own name was twofold. First I was not going to play well let’s just use my wife’s name and second I wanted things done in my name. I got loans and credit cards in the 1990’s on my ARC. I never said it was easy just that it was possible. All the things people on this forum have claimed was impossible I did in the early 1990’s. Taiwan drivers license in 1990, mortgage in 1991, Credit cards in 1994, car loan in 1996. On this forum all I got well you must be special then. No one else can do these things. Yet when poster Llary immigrated here he wrote from 2006 how to open a business, how to get a mortgage, car loan credit card as a foreigner with no local spouse. Again the woe is me crowd just kept posting it’s all too difficult. Now people complain that since I became a citizen I am not out there stumping for the foreigner woe is me crowd. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/374 "2023-05-16T02:10:25Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > When you bring up these issues you get a lot of foreign Karens with APRCs who tell you to go home and stop whinging… I loved it when they tell me that. I can answer but I am home. Living in the country I am a citizen of. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/375 "2023-05-16T02:11:22Z")
> [@anon24369109](#): > > Now people complain that since I became a citizen I am not out there stumping for the foreigner woe is me crowd. We have people who claim to be banking and insurance executives who just complain but did nothing. It’s much better for some people to keep their head in the sand. Quite frankly if I were in your shoes I’d say… “well f’ em. They never did anything for themselves other than jump on forums and complain rather than file formal complaints or take any meaningful action.” If foreigners on here were actually taking meaningful action these last 20 years we wouldn’t be in this mess. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:16am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/376 "2023-05-16T02:16:04Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > If foreigners on here were actually taking meaningful action these last 20 years we wouldn’t be in this mess. I took meaningful action over 25 years ago. I stopped being a foreigner. Oh what a joyful experience that was but that is for another thread. Stateless for over 9 months. ---
**Author:** ![afterspivak](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/ccd318/32.png) [@afterspivak](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/afterspivak)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/377 "2023-05-16T02:21:16Z")
> [@anon24369109](#): > > what a joyful experience that was but that is for another thread. Stateless for over 9 months. It’d be awesome if you made that story a stand-along thread. I’d read it! :popcorn: Guy ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/378 "2023-05-16T02:24:13Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > Quite frankly if I were in your shoes I’d say… “well f’ em. I already did. By doing all the things they would tell me was impossible, a decade or more earlier. I had already done things they said were impossible to do as a foreigner. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/379 "2023-05-16T02:27:09Z")
> [@afterspivak](#): > > > [@anon24369109](#): > > > > what a joyful experience that was but that is for another thread. Stateless for over 9 months. > > It’d be awesome if you made that story a stand-along thread. > > I’d read it! :popcorn: > > Guy its all in the citizenship thread started by cooling tower on how to get citizenship here. Someone who contacted me privately then wrote a post on the process, which required renunciation before you even got ROC nationality. Good thing you only renounce now after becoming a Taiwan national. But it’s was like loans and tax residency being a tax non resident in other countries… all too difficult lol > [@How to get Taiwan Citizenship - Primer, FAQ, and Resources](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/how-to-get-taiwan-citizenship-primer-faq-and-resources/10835/182): > > In most cases you stay in Taiwan and renounce your citizenship here. Cooling tower ( ex USA ) Gov Attache ( ex UK ) and myself ( Ex Aus ) were all able to do so. Poagao’s situation was also unusual and a lot way back when too. SO you need to ask your country of citizenship about the renunciation procedure. It does take time to do so do plan on running around the word for awhile. rainbow ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/380 "2023-05-16T02:28:50Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > If foreigners on here were actually taking meaningful action these last 20 years we wouldn’t be in this mess. You can see what can be done. For example the ubikes in Taipei… but it seems that foreigners in Taiwan care more about riding a bicycle around the park than being able to easily apply for a mortgage on a first home. ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:31am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/381 "2023-05-16T02:31:45Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > You can see what can be done. For example the ubikes in Taipei… but it seems that foreigners in Taiwan care more about riding a bicycle around the park than being able to easily apply for a mortgage on a first home. Maybe that’s because the down payment on a ubike they have the money for? ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 4:59am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/382 "2023-05-16T04:59:47Z")
yeah, tbh the amount of action and engagement for bicycles astonishes me, while getting royally screwed over for taxes, banks, phones, etc… This shows priorities (not everyone ofc, there are still some working on making this place better) ---
**Author:** ![anon24369109](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@anon24369109](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon24369109)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 6:28am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/388 "2023-05-16T06:28:04Z")
Taiwan has been much better for your presence sir. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/389 "2023-05-17T13:56:31Z")
Also relevant here, but I posted it in the Richart thread. > [@Richart - The first almost/kinda/marginally/minuscularly foreigner friendly bank](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/richart-the-first-almost-kinda-marginally-minuscularly-foreigner-friendly-bank/226485/498): > > I just received my first withholding and non-withholding tax statement from Richart/Taishin today, and despite [asking me four fucking times](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/richart-the-first-almost-kinda-marginally-minuscularly-foreigner-friendly-bank/226485/250) to confirm I’m exclusively tax resident in Taiwan, and despite @fifieldt’s discussions with the management of Taishin, they’ve still fucked it up and listed me as tax resident in the UK. face_with_symbols_over_mouth Has anyone else complained about this to Taishin already? I guess I’m not the only one? ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/390 "2023-05-17T14:03:58Z")
> [@Richart - The first almost/kinda/marginally/minuscularly foreigner friendly bank](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/richart-the-first-almost-kinda-marginally-minuscularly-foreigner-friendly-bank/226485/498): > > they’ve still fucked it up and listed me as tax resident in the UK. They listed me as ZZ ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/391 "2023-05-17T14:08:08Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > They listed me as ZZ That’s weird. We must have gone through the same procedure (being asked 4 times) though, no? Or did you apply before they started doing that? Is there something different about your situation, like having an APRC? Or maybe it’s just something the branches did differently? I definitely didn’t sign any CRS forms this time around. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/392 "2023-05-17T14:15:28Z")
I do have an APRC, a Taiwanese daughter and told them that I am naturalizing soon. I was one of the very first to apply. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/393 "2023-05-17T14:23:30Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > I do have an APRC I wonder if this might be it then. It shouldn’t make a difference here though, given that asking us four times to confirm we’re only tax resident in Taiwan suggests they’re at least aware of the possibility that foreigners _can_ be only tax resident in Taiwan… ---
**Author:** ![TaipeiGuy2000](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/taipeiguy2000/32/155716_2.png) [@TaipeiGuy2000](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TaipeiGuy2000)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/394 "2023-05-17T14:37:33Z")
> [@Andrew](#): > > I wonder if this might be it then. I have an APRC. And they do not list “ZZ”. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/395 "2023-05-17T14:39:32Z")
Hmmm. Luck of the draw then? I guess I’ll be calling them to complain later in the week when I have time, or maybe just visit my local Taishin. Still haven’t heard anything else back from CTBC though. ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/396 "2023-05-18T00:02:31Z")
Not going to do much mate, u can complain howbmuch u want but banks’ hands r tied until the tax bureau doesn’t change the interpretation of art 7 of the income tax act. Which is ehat I appealed the control yuan for. So sit tight and hope my appeal goes through. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635.md?page=15) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635.md?page=17)