# Take action against Taiwan bank tax residency tax certificates **URL:** \ **Category:** Discrimination in Taiwan\ **Created:** [March 24, 2023, 6:53am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635 "2023-03-24T06:53:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/81 "2023-03-28T04:10:36Z")
I did that too, but I don’t expect much from it. Might need though this to document attempts to fixing with the ombudsman. ---
**Author:** ![bdog](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@bdog](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/bdog)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/82 "2023-03-28T04:21:01Z")
> [@comfy123](#): > > Remember the saying. “All bark and no bite?” The FSC don’t even bark From what I’ve heard they are just completely reactionary. So they are happy with the status quo until something blows up, then it’s a witchhunt. The case in point there was the Covid insurance blow-up. Maybe at some point a foreign tax office is going to complain the data we are feeding them under the terms of this agreement is junk? ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 4:40am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/83 "2023-03-28T04:40:42Z")
also wrote to the “whistleblower” email of CTBC to highlight this wrongful behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:20am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/84 "2023-03-28T07:20:30Z")
> [@Mataiou](#): > > I did that too, but I don’t expect much from it. Might need though this to document attempts to fixing with the ombudsman. > [@Mataiou](#): > > also wrote to the “whistleblower” email of CTBC to highlight this wrongful behaviour. Just to clarify, you did this for the same issue we’re currently discussing, is that right? I’m also still discussing it with CTBC, so would be cool if there’s more than one of us! ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/85 "2023-03-28T07:33:18Z")
yes, exactly on the very same thing, and the FSC complaint is both for HSBC and CTBC (attached to them both statements) ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 8:30am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/86 "2023-03-29T08:30:16Z")
Please see the BS reply from HSBC, already replied to them with points of regulation and sent formal complaint about this: ![Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 4.28.19 PM](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/9/4/946dd60d702e1f7971453a1911621d274756d8a5.png) Fucking unbelievable I need to send to them the articles of THEIR OWN LAWS IN CHINESE SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER! (sorry, I’m fuming) ---
**Author:** ![silly.putty](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/silly.putty/32/39_2.png) [@silly.putty](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/silly.putty)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 8:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/87 "2023-03-29T08:45:35Z")
Can you share the HSBC whiskey glass they will inevitably send once they capitulate since you already have one? > [@Credit Card Success Stories - Share Your Timeline & Application Details](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/credit-card-success-stories-share-your-timeline-application-details/219705/37): > > Company: HSBC TW Card applied for: Travellers Visa Infinite card Credit score/history before applying: Very high, it was more than 742 when I checked in Jan-23 Date of application:\*\* Aug-22 Date of follow up call:\*\* Several calls, all useless. I actually withdrew the application at a point since I didn’t want to get a local guarantor. Date of credit report check:\*\* they checked several times, last one at the beginning of Jan-23 Date of approval:\*\* 17-Jan-23 Date of arrival:\*\* 31-Jan-23 Time fro… ---
**Author:** ![Explant](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/explant/32/130551_2.png) [@Explant](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Explant)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:02am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/88 "2023-03-29T09:02:32Z")
write to the media about banking institutions committing tax fraud and defrauding the people of Taiwan. make sure you dot your I s and cross your T s so you dont get sued. but if they are committing fraud, I see 2 ways forward: power in numbers (probably not enough foreigners who care or are too scared) or public embarrassment (aka, the tv). ---
**Author:** ![justintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@justintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/justintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/89 "2023-03-29T09:17:45Z")
> [@Mataiou](#): > > Fucking unbelievable I need to send to them the articles of THEIR OWN LAWS IN CHINESE SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND BETTER! This is (partly) why I’m leaving. My limit of bullsh\*t was reached. Not just banking. Employers, household registration, landlord, NIA, phone companies. All bullshitters that can’t do their jobs and lie. And then somethings are just too hard (compared to Australia) like opening a business, merchant services, even Skype doesn’t work properly. I could open a sole trading business registered for GST and payroll with an online accounting system that automatically reconciles my bank account and invoices in 10 minutes in Australia. A day or 2 to have merchant services set up. This would easily be weeks - months in Taiwan and some things not possible. Judging by that response they think all ARC holders are homeless. ‘It’s judged by having a place to live’ so homeless Taiwanese mustn’t be tax residents either. Ducking idiots. The definition of residency according to the tax bureau has 0 to do with an ARC or Taiwan ID. You can be a tax resident without either. M\*rons. I can understand a stupid staff member here and there. How can a whole industry have 0 idea of the law regulating their industry. It’s bloody ridiculous. Even shoving the law in their face does nothing. Trying to build a prosperous life here is just too hard. You know if Australia treated the tens of thousands of Taiwanese working in Australia this way there’d be an uproar. ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:32am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/90 "2023-03-29T09:32:15Z")
Lost of public face might not work, I still work in the industry… Cannot shit where I sleep/eat… For the moment I won’t publicly ashame them, need still to do a few things for my own situtation, then will think about it. ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/91 "2023-03-29T09:45:15Z")
> [@Mataiou](#): > > Lost of public face might not work, I still work in the industry… Cannot shit where I sleep/eat… Why the hell not. Sometimes this will garner you respect as you become seen as the authority that that know what he’s doing and talking about. Sometimes this is the only way for positive change. ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/92 "2023-03-29T09:59:08Z")
All in good time mate, all in good time. ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/93 "2023-03-30T00:41:10Z")
Well, the foreigner friendly bank Richart just sent me 2 tax withholding statements, all wrong, one for Jan 23 and one for Feb 23… Ofc it shows I stayed for less than 183 days for the reporting period, I find it challenging to be in Taiwan for 183 days in one month… Incompetence, gross incompetence ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 2:43am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/94 "2023-03-30T02:43:56Z")
just wrote a complaint to them and yet another to FSC. It is exhausting… ---
**Author:** ![comfy123](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/comfy123/32/258242_2.png) [@comfy123](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/comfy123)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 2:48am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/95 "2023-03-30T02:48:45Z")
> [@Mataiou](#): > > just wrote a complaint to them and yet another to FSC. It is exhausting… We shall gather all of our complaints and make one long article in Chinese and English explaining how the FSC and the banks have missed the mark ---
**Author:** ![Mataiou](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mataiou/32/178744_2.png) [@Mataiou](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Mataiou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/96 "2023-03-30T02:49:29Z")
This I can agree to ---
**Author:** ![QuaSaShao](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/quasashao/32/220200_2.png) [@QuaSaShao](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/QuaSaShao)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/97 "2023-03-30T03:06:25Z")
I’ve found doing business in Taiwan for the last 23 years very easy. If there’s a problem my wife just calls somebody up and yells at them and – boom! – fixed. Don’t ask me how she does it though. ---
**Author:** ![bdog](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@bdog](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/bdog)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/98 "2023-03-30T03:15:51Z")
So you’re content just to be the helpless foreigner who needs a local minder? ---
**Author:** ![justintaiwan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/7ea924/32.png) [@justintaiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/justintaiwan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/99 "2023-03-30T03:19:46Z")
My husband gets sucked into the rubbish they spew out instead of standing his ground and yelling at them. I blame his mother 😅 ---
**Author:** ![bdog](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/919ad9/32.png) [@bdog](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/bdog)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 3:22am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635/100 "2023-03-30T03:22:08Z")
Beefing people on Twitter seems to have some effect these days. Not sure who you would go at for this though. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635.md?page=4) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/take-action-against-taiwan-bank-tax-residency-tax-certificates/228635.md?page=6)