Whoa…there have been threads recently about not posting while drunk. What about not posting while stupid?
[quote=“Vorkosigan”]The real hypocrisy of the Left isn’t correctly identifying what Bush was: a sick, twisted, anti-American, Anti-democracy dictatorial fuck of the Mussolini/Hitler/Franco variety, but that when Obama preserves, elaborates, and expands the Bush era domestic spying programs and security state at home and abroad, the liberals are …silent.
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So does this make Obama Hitler II? You’re right about the silence, though. Shouldn’t the moronic tea-baggers with their Obama-as-Hitler paraphernalia be mirrored on the other side of the protest street by the moronic 2000-2008 pacifist types with their Bush-as-Hitler trinkets? That would be interesting to see.
No, it is not. Hypocrisy is “the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtures that one does not hold or possess; falseness.” If a person falsely proclaims that they believe in, and that everyone should follow, “family values”, when they are in fact whoring around at the same time, that is hypocrisy. If someone runs on a Prohibiton platform but carries a hidden flask, that is hypocrisy.
This is obviously different from variation in responses to external stimuli, such as a change in the level or nature of criticism directed toward others over time, which can be caused by various factors including but not limited to the situation at hand, ingroup-outgroup mentality, a change in perspective or maturity levels, different levels of involvement or understanding of different situations, rationalization driven by cognitive dissonance, and so on, ad nauseam.[/quote]
They are pretending to have virtues and principles (the people that are criticizing the Tea Party activists), and yet many were active participants in the anti-war rallies using the same tactics. To me, that meets the defiition of hypocrisy used by most dictionaries.
Calling Bush a Nazi? What an outrageous statement (unfortunately, it’s used too often by many on the left) that makes anyone spouting such filth lose credibility. Imagine if someone compared Obama to Idi Amin (both of which have been/were accused of financial mismanagement). In both cases, saying such things is just plain wrong. However, too often one is tolerated and one is not. Again, such a clear case example of hypocrisy.
Whoa…there have been threads recently about not posting while drunk. What about not posting while stupid?[/quote]
You lived in a cave during the torture/rendition/illegal invasion/murder/war crimes/domestic surveillance/imperial presidency gig of the Bush-Cheney years?
No, it is not. Hypocrisy is “the practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtures that one does not hold or possess; falseness.” If a person falsely proclaims that they believe in, and that everyone should follow, “family values”, when they are in fact whoring around at the same time, that is hypocrisy. If someone runs on a Prohibiton platform but carries a hidden flask, that is hypocrisy.
This is obviously different from variation in responses to external stimuli, such as a change in the level or nature of criticism directed toward others over time, which can be caused by various factors including but not limited to the situation at hand, ingroup-outgroup mentality, a change in perspective or maturity levels, different levels of involvement or understanding of different situations, rationalization driven by cognitive dissonance, and so on, ad nauseam.[/quote]
They are pretending to have virtues and principles (the people that are criticizing the Tea Party activists), and yet many were active participants in the anti-war rallies using the same tactics. To me, that meets the defiition of hypocrisy used by most dictionaries.[/quote]
Good call on the hypocrisy issue Chewey.
The lovely left/progressives is/are all about “inclusion” and “diversity” as long as its in the best interest of their party line. No co-operation. No meeting in the middle - its their way or no way.
I am still somewhat amazed at the hate that appears to be a requirement for the progressive mantra. If they can’t find something to hate, rare, they create an issue to toss their hate and scorn upon.
Whoa…there have been threads recently about not posting while drunk. What about not posting while stupid?[/quote]
You lived in a cave during the torture/rendition/illegal invasion/murder/war crimes/domestic surveillance/imperial presidency gig of the Bush-Cheney years?[/quote]
Obama hasn’t changed any of your “Nazi” tactics, has he? Indeed, you claim that he has expanded them.
So is Obama Hitler, too? Eh? Out with the mustachioed JPGs of Obama, c’mon, don’t hold back!
In case you’re not really taking the piss on this, Vorkosigan, here’s some basic information about a certain political movement in a certain country during a certain period of time:
I’m shocked but I have to agree. At least Hitler could paint, if badly. Bush is more your very average garden nutless chimp, but with good connections. If it wasn’t for the disastrous mess he created, we’d have stopped talking about him ages ago. Which reminds me, it was guys like you that supported that clod, and see where that got us. Why the hell would anyone listen to anything you had to say about politics again?
[quote=“TainanCowboy”]The lovely left/progressives is/are all about “inclusion” and “diversity” as long as its in the best interest of their party line. No co-operation. No meeting in the middle - its their way or no way.
I am still somewhat amazed at the hate that appears to be a requirement for the progressive mantra. If they can’t find something to hate, rare, they create an issue to toss their hate and scorn upon.
Pretty weird.[/quote]
Is the lack of tolerance for intolerance the same as being intolerant? If, as a gay person, I don’t accept someone who says “Fuck you faggot”, then I am the one being hateful?
Interesting you should say that. The protest in question was against health care reform, an issue in which Democrats repeatedly tried to negotiate with Republicans. The Republicans stubbornly refused to do so and voted “no” in lockstep for months.
And yet the Democrats did include Republican ideas, and the left did compromise, greatly, to the point where the final bill represents mainstream Republican ideas of the past twenty years, not the single-payer universal coverage favored by liberals. This process demonstrated that it was conservatives, not liberals, who often refuse to compromise in American politics.
[quote] Stormy times for Republican Party as porn star seeks seat
A US porn star says she may run as a Republican Senate candidate because the party best represents her “views about sex and money”.“After months of careful deliberation and [consultation] as to the true nature of my political affiliation I am ready today to declare that should I seek the office of US Senator from the great state of Louisiana that I will do so as a Republican,” she said in a statement.
[b]“While this decision has not been an easy one, recent events regarding Republican National Committee fund-raising at Voyeur, an LA based lesbian bondage themed nightclub finally tipped the scales.”
Ms Daniels - whose real name is Stephanie Clifford - said $US1900 would have paid for a good night.
“As someone who has worked extensively in both the club and film side of the Adult Entertainment Industry, I know from experience that a mere $US1900 outlay at a club with the reputation of Voyeur is a clear indication of a frugal investment with a keen eye toward maximum return,” she said[/b].[/quote]
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And how do you think she would perform (Snicker, Snicker)? Couldn’t be any worse than let’s say----former Democratic Governor Edwin Edwards. In Louisiana politics, she’d probably be the cleanest of the bunch.
But considering your fondness for politicians with a penchant for cheap one liners in the Paul Keating style, you’d probably think Edwards was fair dinkum, no? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards
Chewy, that’s an excellent point to raise. Made all the more impressive by the fact that Edwards would have been knocked off the political stage way earlier if the Republicans hadn’t been running candidates like David Duke against him. Yes, that David Duke. Any more used tires or swampland in Florida you want to peddle out here?
[quote] Stormy times for Republican Party as porn star seeks seat
A US porn star says she may run as a Republican Senate candidate because the party best represents her “views about sex and money”.“After months of careful deliberation and [consultation] as to the true nature of my political affiliation I am ready today to declare that should I seek the office of US Senator from the great state of Louisiana that I will do so as a Republican,” she said in a statement.
[b]“While this decision has not been an easy one, recent events regarding Republican National Committee fund-raising at Voyeur, an LA based lesbian bondage themed nightclub finally tipped the scales.”
Ms Daniels - whose real name is Stephanie Clifford - said $US1900 would have paid for a good night.
“As someone who has worked extensively in both the club and film side of the Adult Entertainment Industry, I know from experience that a mere $US1900 outlay at a club with the reputation of Voyeur is a clear indication of a frugal investment with a keen eye toward maximum return,” she said[/b].[/quote]
HG[/quote]
Reminds me of when Larry Flynt tried running for prez on the Republican ticket.
And didn’t most national Republicans of stature endorse Edwards (as repulsive as that must have been as well)? And haven’t David Duke’s political positions lately been much more representative of the far left of the Democratic Party? Against the war in Iraq (even going as far as visiting Tehran to attend a rally)…visiting Baathist Syria and meeting socialist politicians. Continuing to make Anti-Semitic remarks…Writing smutty self help sex books Christ, sounds a lot like a Sharpton or Jesse Jackson type of politician to me (although he’d have to go after the babysitter to match the latter )
And didn’t most national Republicans of stature endorse Edwards (as repulsive as that must have been as well)?[/quote]
Did they? Between the photoshopped photos of Obama as a bone-through-the-nose tribal doctor, Rush Limbaugh’s demand for segregated buses, conservative media icon Hal Turner’s position as the current darling of the Republican party, Trent Lott’s insistence that America would’ve been much better off if only Strom Thurmond could’ve been elected president on his single-plank platform… I’d tend to think that the Republicans have catered themselves to the white-sheet crowd.
How so? Pretty much any spectrum of the Democratic Party is going to be people who abhor racist nonsense. Given how the Republican party has gone, all you’d have to do is wrap Lincoln’s corpse in copper wire, put it between a couple of magnets, and you’d have the perfect clean energy source.
Well, that includes an awful lot of Americans at this point.
You think visiting Tehran and Syria is “much more representative of the far left of the Democratic Party”? You clearly don’t know any Democrats. I can’t name one Democrat I know, muchless any “far left” Dem I know, who typically goes to Tehran, attends rallies overseas, or spends time in “Baathist Syria” (what’s that? the part of Syria run by sheep?!?)
Many Dems I know happen to be Jewish. New York, where I grew up, is a major Democratic “stronghold” state that happens to have a very sizeable Jewish population and many well-known Jewish Democratic politicians. Are you going to persist with this asinine claim. You want to find anti-semitism, then go to Hal Turner’s radio show to hear how a Republican media icon does it.
I don’t know about Dems who have written smutty self-help sex books. I would figure that the “smutty” and “sex” might go together naturally, but the “self-help” part? By “self-help sex books”, perhaps are you talking of some sort of wank magazine that somehow disappointed you? No, don’t answer that… I think you’re already giving us a bit TMI.
Interesting that you would have come up with a claim that Klansman and neo-nazi Duke is “just like” Sharpton or Jesse Jackson.
But overall the group mentality of these parties aren’t focused on scones and cucumber sandwiches.[/quote]
But my point is that either were the anti-Bush rallies. A lot of the same type of hatred was being displayed at these, and they weren’t nearly as harshly condoned by the media or by the peanut gallery on Forumosa for that matter. In fact, they were often covered with sympathetic coverage by the media.
I agree with you–there are nasty elements within these protests…but aren’t these common in lots of political protests from all sides of the spectrum?..Political rallies are full of tribalism and ‘bread and circuses’ acts, and I think people that are sneering at these rallies should ask themselves if they were equally as critical in times past. I think the answer, for the most part, would be a resounding no. And that, my friend, is hypocrisy, is it not?[/quote]
Well, I’ll see next week. I have to shoot a video on it, and want to read up on some other sides of the Tea Party. Yes, I can do a Google for articles that aren’t in the “mainstream” press, but want to read about the Tea Party activities/perspectives which aren’t getting that sort of press… Soooo, can you or anyone else interested in assisting me with this, and likes what the Tea Party has to say, PM me a few links to peruse? Thanks so much.
Usually we’d dismiss any National Enquirer story, but let’s remember—they are up for a Pulitzer Prize for their coverage of the John Edwards sex scandal. For those of you that forget, this tabloid broke the story about his fathering a love child ages before any other news organization touched the story.
I wonder if this Obama mistress story could be another blockbuster news story that many of the established news mediums aren’t covering…yet.
Just wondering what this has to do with the Tea Party…[/quote]
Wondering what the story on the porn-star candidate at the top of the last page had to do with the Tea Party either. Of course, you felt the need to comment on my story and not that story.
