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Terrorism is worthy of glorification it seems. It’s a case of well, that was us so it’s OK.
BroonAviv
Well, well, well. I say we strangle this bastard terrorist child in it’s crib. Oh, it’s way too late.
HG
[quote]I’m a radical agnostic.
If I find out you believe in something, I’m going to come and burn a big fuckoff question mark on your lawn…[/quote]
-Billy Connolly
Menachem Volfovich Begin, Israel’s 6th Prime Minister was in his early days a bona fide terrorist…….or freedom fighter as Israeli’s like call him today……
This could be Hamas talking to Fatah today…….Hamas wasn’t given a chance by the international community, they cut the funding etc because they consider Hamas a terrorist organization… Yet Menachem Volfovich Begin was able to become Prime Minister of Israel and get the
Nobel Peace Prize!!
The double standards are astounding……
Menachem Volfovich Begin and Sheikh Ahmed Ismail Yassin terrorists or freedom fighters?
[quote]Begin issued a call to arms and from 1945-1948 the Irgun launched an all-out armed rebellion, perpetrating hundreds of attacks against British installations and posts. For several months in 1945-1946, the Irgun’s activities were coordinated within the framework of the Hebrew Resistance Movement under the direction of the Haganah, however this fragile partnership collapsed following the Irgun’s bombing of the British administrative and military headquarters at the luxurious
King David Hotel
in Jerusalem, killing 91 people, including British officers and troops as well as Arab and Jewish civilians. The Irgun under Begin’s leadership continued to carry out military operations such as the break in to Acre Prison, and the hanging of two British sergeants, causing the British to suspend any further executions of Irgun prisoners. Growing numbers of British forces were deployed to quell the Jewish uprising, yet Begin managed to elude captivity, at times disguised as a Rabbi.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin [/quote]
The British were occupiers. The Israelis were and are living in their own land. Ownership and residence date back to Abraham. Try reading some history.
:roflmao: That’s your justification? :raflmao:
You’re packing up and moving out to make room for the natives, right?
Isn’t that basically the same justification the Palestinians and those who support them use?
Ummm yes…
well…yes…mmm (sorry my history is not very good)…Except for
the Israeli-occupied Arab territories
that would be the West Bank…Gaza…oh and the new one… what’s it called Abraham?..no Lebanon…that’s it…
[quote]
Statement by the United Nations Agencies working in the occupied Palestinian territory
8th July 2006
The United Nations Humanitarian Agencies working in the occupied Palestinian territory, are alarmed by developments on the ground, which have seen innocent civilians, including children, killed, brought increased misery to hundreds of thousands of people and which will wreak far-reaching harm on Palestinian society. An already alarming situation in Gaza, with poverty rates at nearly eighty per cent and unemployment at nearly forty per cent, is likely to deteriorate rapidly, unless immediate and urgent action is taken.
un.org/unrwa/index.html
[/quote]
Shin-Gua I think you should take some of your own advice:
And why have the Israelis done this? Have they simply started wars to take territory from their neighbors?
I agree, Begin was a terriost. That doesn’t invalidate Jewish history.
And why have the Israelis done this? Have they simply started wars to take territory from their neighbors?[/quote]
ah Tigermouse lets not get off track here…lets leave Lebanon to the other threads and use this one to to discuss Jewish fundamentalism and compare the Jewish terrorists/freedom fighters to their Muslim brethren……Why is it that the world accepts Menachem Volfovich Begin’s terror and not Sheikh Ahmed Ismail Yassin’s?..please enlighten me……[/quote]
Don’t be a jagoff. It is against the Rules to alter another person’s username on this site.
My comment above is not “off-track”… it is a direct response to a statement you posted.
As to why the world “accepts” Begin’s terror and not Yassin’s terror… I’d say that is a seriously flawed assertion. Of course both are terrorists. So what?
What are we going to do about it NOW?
IMO, there are only two possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian problem. The first is the complete destruction of Israel. The second is the complete acceptance of Israel, i.e., the peaceful coexistence of Israel and a Palestinian state.
Which solution do you think is MORE possible?
I don’t think Israel will allow itself to be destroyed, at least not without a real balls-to-the-wall fight… and the Israelis have nukes. Thus, I think the best and most viable solution is the complete acceptance of Israel, i.e., the peaceful coexistence of Israel and a Palestinian state. That will not, cannot happen until the Palestinians stop using terrorism NOW against Israel. That will not, cannot happen until the state sponsors of terrorism cease such sponsorship of terrorism against Israel. NOW.
Who cares, NOW, that Begin was a terrorist way back then? We can, and many do, look at past acts of many nations and apply modern notions/definitions of “terrorism”… and to what end? Are we going to condemn the US and allies for firebombing German cities? The atomic bombs? Pick a conflict in history and I’m sure you can find acts to fit the moderb definition of “terrorism”.
Again, SO WHAT? Doing so helps us with the current Israeli-Palestinian problem… how?