What’s your job Sandman? He was a deep sea diver who became a filmmaker. He traveled to Jordan and Iraq at great personal expense because he has compassion and curiosity. He went to see Iraq for himself. You don’t need to do that I guess because you have a sixth sense that lets you distinguish the truth from the BS in the media.
So you think when the US military stops journalists from entering Fallujah, the few that do get in are likely to be liars. That’s brilliant.
Thank you. But while I don’t think they’re necessarily liars, I most surely do think most of them have a political axe to grind. Therefore, a healthy dose of skepticism is required.
In addition, I have done a fair bit of industrial diving, but have also been known to tell the occasional porky. 
Story fron Fallujah…
[quote][color=blue]Fallujahans turn out big for Iraqi Army recruiting drive[/color]
Blackanthem Military News, FALLUJAH, Iraq, March 30, 2006 11:54
An Iraqi Army recruit undergoes a Biometric Automated Tool Set screening while processing into the Iraqi Army March 28 during the first day of a three day recruiting drive in Fallujah. The BATS system uses a database to screen recruits for possible past insurgent involvement. Photo by: Cpl. Spencer M. Murphy
Eight hundred and thirteen Iraqi men enlisted in the Iraqi Army during a three-day recruiting drive here by a Mobile Recruiting Team from the Ministry of Defense.
The 813 recruits were part of a larger recruiting effort to enlist 1,000 Iraqi men from the Al Anbar Province into the Iraqi Army.
“The overall goal is to enlist 5,000 recruits from Al Anbar Province by the end of October, but they are getting recruited in groups of 1,000,” said Capt. Selden B. Hale, a recruiting advisor traveling with the MRT and assigned to the Headquarters Transition Team under Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq.
One thousand recruits is the maximum capacity of the Basic Combat Training course, the first stop for the new recruits. The recruits will learn basic infantry skills during the five-week training package before being assigned to an army unit.[color=red](more story at link)[/color]
blackanthem.com/TheAllies/mi … 33010.html[/quote]
Sorry, but dearpeter has already convincingly explained why Fallujah is Auschwitz, so your little story, while amusing, doesn’t mean anything.
Bush is Hitler! Sig heil!
Don’t put words in his mouth. He said Auschwich, which is this other village in France, famous for its mix of British/German cuisine, Sandwich in Mehlschwitze for instance (amongst other atrocities).
HEY! Dem’s some good eatin’ right there!
I wish people would stop wasting space on this thread with their lame attacks on me and supercilious attempts at humor.
As promised, I checked for other sources on the retina-scanning of Falluja residents. Apparently, Tom Brokaw’s last broadcast included a dialog with a correspondent who attested to the retina-scanning. Here a the link where you can listen to the actual audio:
Fallujah Residents Face Choice
And here is a [not so] totally different al-jazeera mention:
No end to destruction in Falluja
[quote]Entry rules
One of the causes of major complaint were stringent and intrusive security measures.
US forces stationed around the city have to issue ID cards to those they allow back in, a document that has to be carried at all times.
Citizens must leave their cars outside Falluja; no vehicles are allowed in except approved buses that herd people back and forth.
At the beginning of December, one prime-time US news channel had a military official telling Americans that Fallujans would “be finger printed, given a retina scan and then an ID card, which will only allow them to travel around their homes or to nearby aid centres”.
“The marines will be authorised to use deadly force against those breaking the rules.” [/quote]
And here is an interview on ZNet with Dahr Jamail, another unembedded American journalist who spent time in Fallujah:
[quote][size=75]I was in Falluja during the April siege last year for a couple of days, and then I went back in May several times to report on what happened. But I didn
The same Dahr Jamail makes a different historical comparison in this November, 2005 interview.
From Wikipedia: Bombing of Guernica
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The bombing of Guernica was an aerial attack on April 26, 1937, during the Spanish Civil War by the German Luftwaffe squadron known as the Condor Legion against the Basque city of Guernica. It was the first aerial bombardment in history in which a civilian population was attacked with the apparent intent of producing total destruction.[/quote]
This is a much better analogy than mine.
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From Wikipedia: Bombing of Guernica
Guernica is an apt analogy, though the U.S. at least gave people a chance to escape before it turned on the city and everyone left in it. Here’s another historical precedent:
On a hunch, I searched Google for Mark Manning + Dahr Jamail and found this.
[quote]Dahr Jamail Interviews Mark Manning
Dahr Jamail and Mark Manning were the only two American unembedded journalists inside Fallujah during the two sieges of April and November 2004. Mark Manning spent one week inside Fallujah with a video camera interviewing survivors of the November siege. Hours of video tape documenting the atrocities that occured in Fallujah were stolen the day Mark returned to the US in a well-timed double break-in that was followed by weeks of intimidation and threats.
In this rare interview, Dahr talks with Mark about Fallujah and recounts the circumstances that journalists face today when reporting on events the US government does not want its citizens to know about.
Posted - 05/03/05
CLICK PLAY TO LISTEN[/quote]
It’s an audio clip. It’s shocking.
informationclearinghouse.inf … le8730.htm
I say these two journalists shouldn’t be laughed at. I’d say they have balls and represent the finest qualities that America is so proud of producing in people. They’re heroes for actually doing what the mainstream media should be doing.
Aye or nay anyone?
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Y’know, after listening to that whole audio clip, I’ll now say with total conviction that what America did (and continues to do) to Falluja is worse than any crime perpetrated by the Nazis. (It’s a lot worse than retina scans.) And I beseech God to pay attention closely should anyone challenge my judgement without listening to that audio clip in its entirety, because that’s what I am opining on. The litany of war crimes described by Manning is mind-numbing. The Nazis followed the rules of war a lot more closely than the US Army.
If these two journalists can be exposed as liars, than I will only be guilty of siding with my own common sense and humanity.
And another video from Fallujah:
3/1 G USMC Fallujah
video.google.com/videoplay?docid … &auto=true
Keeping in mind, this is a war. And this is the response to enemy fire.
This Contains scenes of military weapons firing - It may be too loud for Office Viewing
This is war time footage and should be regarded as such.
Brrr. That gave me the shivers. Thanks for the ‘enlightening’ post - I guess. Two questions I’m wondering. If it was a city full of insurgents, how could a helicopter fly low and slow like that? And what is a guy with film editing skills like that doing in Iraq?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678365185391&q=Warfare+duration%3Along&pl=true
…another that proves the US troops were using White Phosphorus…a chemical weapon that burns you alive.
How ironic is using chemical weapons against a country you have wrongfully invaded for possessing chemical weapons which do not exist. :loco:
Hypocrisy at its best. Good on ya Dick and Dubya- wankers!
[quote=“The Specialist”]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905191678365185391&q=Warfare+duration%3Along&pl=true
…another that proves the US troops were using White Phosphorus…a chemical weapon that burns you alive.
How ironic is using chemical weapons against a country you have wrongfully invaded for possessing chemical weapons which do not exist. :loco:
Hypocrisy at its best. Good on ya Dick and Dubya- wankers![/quote]
Cry me a fucking river.
Cant find that emoticon, damn!
That video just posted, Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre - includes mention of Mark Manning I think. Around the 7 minute point, another journalist mentions a journalist who had his footage stolen upon return to the US. That’s got to be Manning. It’s too bad he didn’t foresee that and make copies somewhere in Europe before returning to the US.
In the audio interview with Manning that I posted earlier, he sounds clearly broken-hearted about losing most of his footage. With his voice cracking, he talked about an interview with one 17-year-old girl who hid under a bed for three days with her 13-year-old brother, in view of her two sisters’ dead bodies. Then the US soldiers came back, lifted the bed and found them. They shot them both, killing her brother, but she somehow survived.
Manning said it was the most difficult story he’d ever covered (this particular girl). Manning said: [color=red]“That interview, I think, if the American people saw it, would get an idea of what it’s like to be at the foreign end of American foreign policy.”[/color]
Here’s the link again. The girls story begins at 12:35.
informationclearinghouse.inf … le8730.htm
It is my opinion that the “house raids” conducted so extensively throughout Fallujah clearly demonstrate that the US Army has reclaimed the title of Most Sadistic Army from the Israelis.
What on earth was this bullshit sacking of a city with cold-blooded murder all about? Was its true purpose to terrorize the Iraqi population? Clearly, shooting innocent children three days after an area was secured amounts to the lowest depths of depravity.
Watch me get flamed for this:
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American soldiers are small-dicked pussies who can do no better than to shoot innocent children while wearing full body armour.
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Watch me get flamed for this:
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American soldiers are small-dicked pussies who can do no better than to shoot innocent children while wearing full body armour.
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Peter, Peter, Peter…do you mind if I call you Dick?
I’ve always preferred to shoot innocent children while they’re wearing jammies…never full body armor.*
(And I’ll do everyone a favor and shoot bigmouthed Canadian English teachers…twice. For free.)
[quote]Watch me get flamed for this:
American soldiers are small-dicked pussies who can do no better than to shoot innocent children while wearing full body armour.[/quote]
Flamed? What on earth for? Profane ignorance deserves pity, not flaming.
But enough of that. Let’s have some more of your one-sided unverifiable “reports.” They’re pretty funny. How about Marines having cookouts in the desert with live Iraqi babies on the menu? That really happens, you know. I’m telling you, its true.
Great with pita bread.
Great with pita bread.[/quote]
Which is of course stolen from hungry orphans.