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and more whose pictures were unavailable at the time of posting. But they all report to a :wanker: in Washingdad
I’m glad that you find Iraq’s desperate efforts to achieve peace and stability a laughing matter. Really. Do you have any moral qualms about such flippancy? Really? What do you want? Iraq to suffer just so you can yet prove America wrong? Too bad. We will win. We are winning.
Firstly I am glad that you are glad. Secondly the desperate effirts you refer to are more like America’s desperate efforts and not those of the Iraqis; desperate efforts borne out of imcompetence, lack of planning, inexperience and a cultural understanding deficit. Moral qualms about such flippancy? Do I have any? Frankly, no. This is not an attempt to prove America wrong in its intent; that Saddam needed to go is not in doubt, that Iraqis needed to be freed from the shackles of tyranny is also not in doubt. The gripe the civilized world has with the US on Iraq is the way it went about it. Building a case on a web of lies, deceit and blatantly false propaganda and arrogantly strolling in with that superior attitude that pervades US foreign policy and how it perceives everything non-American, is the beef many have with you. Having a Neanderthal as president who commands little respect and worshipping him doesn’t help you either. The treatment of prisoners in Abu Ghraib merely confirmed not only to the Iraqis but to many supposed allies that the US when unleashed, is thuggish, arrogant, pushy and insensitive. You just have no idea how to behave.
Time for you to leave and let Iraq find its own desperate way. Yes, it will be a mess but at least it will be their mess. Chances are, the violence will decrease and the Iraqis will regain confidence in managing their own affairs at their own pace. They certainly don’t need a bunch of patronising Americans under the leadership of Lucy’s closest relative to tell them what to do.
Gosh Brune Ale:
And yet it worked so well with the Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Greeks, Turks, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Eastern Europeans, etc. etc. At the time, I recall Life magazine questioning America’s motives since and I am not making this up, “coolies appear to be as intelligent as normal human beings but given the nature of their culture, it is highly unlikely that democracy could ever take root in a Chinese society.”
Before that it was the Germans, Japanese and then the Vietnamese, Koreans, etc. Yet, we managed somehow to turn them around. Or would you argue that they turned themselves around without any US assistance? haahha
That’s because once upon a time the USA was respected as an honest broker. Now, a huge swathe of the world’s population, including most Brits, thinks that the US under your FUCKING IDIOT PRESIDENT 
:wanker: is just an arrogant behemoth. Get rid of Bush, or better still KILL HIM, and you can work to get that respect back.
It’s Bush and his policies that I hate, not Yanks.
Broonale, say what you want about America and her policies. But please refrain from talk about killing the President. I am not easily offended, but those comments do offend me. :no-no:
America’s concern for the poor downtrodden people of Iraq is quite touching. I’m all overcome.
This is really good news. The poor downtrodden people of Africa, Cuba, China, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Tibet, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and North Korea to name but a few must have had their hopes raised by America’s new concern for the welfare of the peoples of the world. Where were you guys in 1939 ?
[quote=“hexuan”]America’s concern for the poor downtrodden people of Iraq is quite touching. I’m all overcome.
This is really good news. The poor downtrodden people of Africa, Cuba, China, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Tibet, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and North Korea to name but a few must have had their hopes raised by America’s new concern for the welfare of the peoples of the world. Where were you guys in 1939 ?[/quote]
Sorry hexuan but I don’t understand. 
Oh dear…diddums, that’s tough DB. You don’t like talk of killing Bush? What about the US and its own history of wanting people dead: Allende, Castro, Saddam, Khomeini, Ortega, Ho Chi Minh, etc.? To you they were horrible and worthy of being killed. To me Bush is equally disgusting. To me he is a despot with a very slick PR machine masking the the insidious and creeping repression in the US. If the US can have as part of her external policies a policy of political assassination, then I see no reason why I should refrain from expressing my desire to have Bush bumped off. You are merely proving that there is one standard for US leaders and another for those whom the US dislikes. Deal with your emotions. The world will be better off without Bush, including you. I am sure that many throughout the world will cheer. When the US stops being hypocritical on this sort of thing then I shall withhold from publicly expressing my personal wish that he were dead as speedily as possible.
I find that wagging finger emoticon offensive, so what? I want Bush dead and so do millions of others.
But you wanting to kill someone just because you don’t like them puts you in the same boat as those you profess to hate.
Once again, you are free to harsh on Bush and America…but please no more talking about killing Bush.
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[quote=“Durins Bane”]But you wanting to kill someone just because you don’t like them puts you in the same boat as those you profess to hate.
Once again, you are free to harsh on Bush and America…but please no more talking about killing Bush. :no-no:[/quote]
Why? Are you trying to stifle my expressing a wish for him to be dead?
If you need to ask “Why” then I’m afraid you will never understand.
I can live with that lack of understanding thank you.
[quote=“BroonAle”]That’s because once upon a time the USA was respected as an honest broker. Now, a huge swathe of the world’s population, including most Brits, thinks that the US under your FUCKING IDIOT PRESIDENT :wanker: is just an arrogant behemoth. Get rid of Bush, or better still KILL HIM, and you can work to get that respect back.
It’s Bush and his policies that I hate, not Yanks.[/quote]Newly registered just today. Needed some info on another thread and just surfed over to this one.
Quite a disgusting post. Its indicative of the intellectual vaccum posessed by the rabid Bush-haters. They have nothing of substance other than a deep fear which morphs into such comments as this.
Any rational person who has a solid basis for logic or debate would be able to easily state their ideas/comments/likes or dis-like with out resorting to such a sick display of socio-pathic agression.
And these are the “Peace & Love” groups. The black masked, anarchists who sleep on mommy sofa and have yet to ‘discover’ them selves.
Such a sad, pathetic lot.
Keep up the fight Fred. If I decide to come back, you will have an ally.
[quote=“TainanCowboy”][such a sick display of socio-pathic agression.
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Actually, many feel this way towards Bush. And only him. I am hardly a sociopath. You are just way too sensitive. Rather than dismiss the advocating of the killing of Bush as sociopathic, why not have a look at the reasons why this man is so reviled?
However, in order not to offend the tewwibly sensitive amongst you, I will wait until November. If he isn’t gone by then, then it’s open season.
Do the right thing then and get rid of him through the ballot box, assuming you have fixed them. There is no US leader in modern times who has eroded the respect America and its values deserves, more than Bush. Please…vote him out!
[quote=“BroonAle”]
Do the right thing then and get rid of him through the ballot box, [/quote]
Now…you understand 
[quote=“Durins Bane”][quote=“BroonAle”]
Do the right thing then and get rid of him through the ballot box, [/quote]
Now…you understand [/quote]
I would still prefer him dead.
Well, has anyone read the recent polls on Iraqi opinions about the new leadership. 83% support the premier, 78% the president and 88% have confidence in the future of their country.
Looks like Zarqawi’s bombings are well having a rather undesirable effect on his popularity. Only three Americans were killed, the rest were Iraqis and they are pissed as hell. We need to clean out Fallujah and then pull back and keep the strategic presence. I think that we are on the way to doing this so one year plus into this effort and I think that we have gotten off to a pretty good start.
Now, the UN and Germany and France were given everything that they asked for, namely sovereignty for Iraq, UN approval of the US presence and a timetable for elections and veto over use of US forces. So where is their support? Where are their troops? An empty hollow posturing shell as usual. These nations cannot even scrape together a few hundred extra troops to meet their commitments in Afghanistan where we all agreed action is necessary.
Europe needs to start looking after its own defense. More troops out of Europe. What is Europe doing about all the downtrodden nations of Africa, North Korea, China, Tibet, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Nothing? Why not?
[quote]No one would deny that the Coalition Provisional Authority made some fundamental errors in policy in its 14 months of power. And no one should be blind to the dangers that lie ahead. But at this point in Iraq’s history the choice is a stark one. Either we support those who offer the chance of a democratic Iraq, with laws that protect the rights of all Iraqis and a civil society that ensures the country never returns to the evil days of dictatorship, or we embrace the gunmen and the bombers, who have already demonstrated their contempt for human life.
While we can still argue over the reasons for the conflict, the more pressing argument is what we do now. Opinion polls have consistently recorded that the vast majority of Iraqis want democracy. They also want the Americans to leave. But asked what Iraq needs at this time, more than 70% told 'Oxford Research International “an Iraqi democracy”.
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