The Blame Game: What caused the 2016 US election result?

Yes, that’s the problem. There is supposed to be a huge difference between a, say, classic Liberal from the traditional UK political scene, and a “modern” Liberal who supports social justice, identity politics, globalism and the rest of the modern ways to simply rename Marxism in a way that sounds less scary.

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The left has just lost the plot. Im liberal on most issues and have even been involed with socialist groups in my youth.

But seriously who is going to vote for a candidate who is lead by Lena Dunham? The same privileged white wealthy Lena Dunham who says that white men are the cause of all Americas/ the worlds problems. If I was a natural democrat, maybe say a sixty year old former engineer at Boeing, or one of the companies that gave America its economic might, vote for a candidate whose campaign is spearheaded by people who despise me?

Identity politics is a cancer. Sorry Chris, people like you without empathy, who want to write off half the population as stupid and without agency, are as much of the reason as anything else.

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This. I also tend to lean on the liberal side of the fence, but I mean the “traditional liberal” position, not the modern “Globalist/Social Justice/everyone who doesn’t agree with me is racist homophobic and all the bad things in the world are caused by white men” liberal.
People saying:“White females who voted for Trump instead of Clinton are a disgrace” because a white female MUST vote for a white female, but if a white man votes for a white man he is racist, live on a planet on their own.

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What about those who feel similarly about the opposite half? I’m not as extreme - I regard most of them as educable. But I do regard them as ignorant, and as far less intelligent than they imagine themselves to be. And if they vote then they certainly have agency of a sort.

I don’t do identity politics, unless you count ideology as an identity, and it certainly is for a lot of people.

Which half are you referring to?

Blame CNN!

[quote] Trump made himself available to the media. “We asked him to do interviews, and he did them,” Zucker said.

But that was apparently the wrong answer and said in the wrong room.

“Bullshit,” Jason Johnson, Sen. Ted Cruz’s chief strategist, whistled through his teeth, next to me. “I can tell you for a fact that we requested a call and we were denied,” Johnson said. “And that’s on the record.”[/quote]

The truth is, they saw a chance to escape the airport ghetto and they took it. They used Trump, and Trump used them. Now that’s over, and there’s nothing left for CNN but the walk of shame.

It might just be bad reporting, but this comes across as half baked:

[quote]Administration officials would also like to make it difficult for President-elect Donald Trump to roll back any action they take.

“Part of the goal here is to make sure that we have as much of the record public or communicated to Congress in a form that would be difficult to simply walk back,” said one senior administration official.[/quote]
Walk back? Not sure that term applies. “Repudiate” would apply.

The critical infrastructure argument holds water if - and only if - the mechanics of the electoral process were impacted. If they had a smoking gun showing the Russkis hacked those damned voting machines, then there would be something to talk about. What they’ve got is… party emails got leaked and people were embarrassed and panties got in a bunch.

No, the DNC is not critical infrastructure. Seriously. The country can get along just fine without them. Arguably, the Democrats would be better off without them. If they go away overnight, the two party system could recover and rebuild in a year or two. Whatever they’re supposed to do, they kind of suck at it. They’ve been sucking since long before this past electoral cycle.

If they’re serious about the threat to infrastructure, they’ll ban those machines. But they’re not serious, and they’re not going to ban the machines. The reason why not is to be found in the Detroit recount.

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Peter Conrad at Teh Grauniad tries to explain The Donald’s ascendancy, ends up revealing far more about himself than about his subject:

Standard elitist butthurt indignation. But it’s been half a year. Are they ever going to get over it? Or even get the point?

Bonus: beg box at the bottom. These people just don’t get supply and demand. And they think their shit is gold.

A cold civil war is being waged with Commander Chaos at its helm and the ruling class still thinks it’s all just a big misunderstanding. When it eventually dawns on them that the lumpenproletariat is never going to “come to its senses” and return to their harnesses things will really start to get interesting.

The lumpenproletariat will be dishing out the lumps before this is all over. But right now it’s the self-styled Resistance that’s fomenting street violence.

They’re not used to people fighting back. Hence the meltdown.

This is the ‘people fighting back’.
This is where voting for Trump got em.
Longer lines to pull their teeth out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2017/05/13/the-painful-truth-about-teeth/?utm_term=.a648141e67da

I get the feeling you did not read the article for comprehension. Try again.

Run along goodfellow make sure you don’t lose your Taiwan NHI card…or your teeth anytime soon. :slight_smile:

The deplorables’ problems didn’t start with Trump . . .

[quote]Matello was No. 503. The small-business owner who supports President Trump had a cracked molar, no dental insurance and a nagging soreness that had forced her to chew on the right side of her mouth for years.

“It’s always bothering me,” she said. And although her toothache wasn’t why she voted for Trump, it was a constant reminder of one reason she did: the feeling that she had been abandoned, left struggling to meet basic needs in a country full of fantastically rich people.[/quote]

. . . and they won’t end with Trump:

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Matello voted for Barack Obama in 2008, thinking he offered the best option for working people, but she sat out the 2012 election. Last year, she rallied behind Trump after listening to him talk about “the forgotten men and women of our country, people who work hard but don’t have a voice.”

“I’m running to be their voice,” Trump said repeatedly.

What Matello heard was a promise “to restore pride to the working poor.”

A big part of that promise was Trump’s assurance that he would build a “beautiful” health-care system to serve every American, a system that would cost less and do more. But nearly four months into Trump’s presidency, Matello sees Trump backing a Republican health care plan that appears to leave low-income people and the elderly worse off.

“I am hearing about a number of people who will lose their coverage under the new plan,” Matello said. “Is Trump the wolf in grandma’s clothes? My husband and I are are now saying to each other: ‘Did we really vote for him?’ ”[/quote]

It’s like my (Taiwanese) wife says, America has all the money in the world to fight endless wars in the Middle East but can’t fix its own peoples’ teeth, no matter who is president.

Yeah thanks Obama. Glad you are seeing the light Rowland.

Meanwhile Trump and the republicans are just making things worse for those poor bastards (I mean the real poor) who voted for him. They get diddled by the two party system and the politicians with the shiny straight teeth.

To be fair proper dental care can be expensive almost anywhere when things get bad. There are a lot of issues in that article that need to be looked at to stop It getting that bad in the first place. Signs of some dysfunctionality.

Those people with poor healthcare and dental care should
Occupy some local legislatures or hospitals. I’m serious. Only way the politicians will start taking some notice of em. They seem easily led.